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Bill<br />

Yeah oh thank you. It's easy to feel<br />

anxious isn't it like I should do something,<br />

I should add something.<br />

Judi<br />

Yes I know, whereas I often feel that I<br />

hear myself talking and then I shut up and<br />

there's a silence and I think oh my God.<br />

So it's hard to get it ..., it's hard not to<br />

project our own anxieties into the group.<br />

Bill<br />

Yeah.<br />

I was interested in Heidi coming in in her<br />

shorts and ...<br />

Judi<br />

She's quite umm, and the stuff she said<br />

about her holiday, “Yeah great time”, you<br />

know something's slightly not connected<br />

about her, she doesn't ... it's like anger or<br />

something.<br />

Bill<br />

Well yeah, and I what I was trying to say<br />

when I thought she was away for two<br />

weeks and it ...<br />

Judi<br />

I interrupted you there but I just ...<br />

Bill<br />

Well I actually missed her, but I think she<br />

experiences me as persecutory, “You can<br />

arrest me”.<br />

Judi<br />

That's why I, yes, yes,<br />

Bill<br />

You rescued her!<br />

Judi<br />

Yes. Yes she does, I think she experiences<br />

men as persecutory and I just didn't want, I<br />

suppose perhaps I shouldn't have rescued<br />

her, do you think I did the wrong thing?<br />

Bill<br />

Oh no, no no, I noticed that you did, in a<br />

way it was probably ... between us it's like<br />

Chapter Eight – A Consulting Break - Page 247<br />

and the next. I wonder if we are going<br />

through a process of re-alignment, having<br />

cleared and expressed some considerable<br />

tension between us, having faced an<br />

anxiety together. (Here, I am focussing on<br />

the dimensions of the heuristic,<br />

connection, difference and bi-logical depth<br />

(see Page 85). I’m suggesting that the<br />

process between us has led to some<br />

disconnection as a result of differences of<br />

opinion and perspective, which is now<br />

resolving. This resolution may be<br />

responsible for the symmetrisation).<br />

I think that Judi feels persecuted by<br />

me.(Here I am using the plasticity of<br />

person available if Matte-Blanco’s (1975,<br />

1988) bi-logic is applied)<br />

My three ‘no’s’ suggest that at least one if<br />

not all should be a ‘yes’. Our eschewal of

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