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that time, about some recommendations for how better
to use the AE, how better to utilize the personnel
at OBO.
Over the years, I have had any number of
people at OBO worry about outsourcing things and
taking, in essence, costing people their jobs. My
sense is OBO has always had to have the people in
place to implement the policy. The contractors and
the AEs are the tools. We don't make the decisions.
The people at OBO have to make those decisions.
Relative to how value engineering studies
are done in other agencies, I have had a fair amount
of experience with the Corps of Engineers and they
use the shared savings approach, where the owner and
the contractor split a portion of what they say.
Skipping to the BIM, speaking to it from
the ACEC position where 85 percent of our members
are small businesses, Greg referred to it and it is,
it's the gee-whiz thing. We happen to have Revit in
our office. It's not the cost of the software, it's
the cost of the implementation. The amount of
training that goes into it is really quite
unbelievable. There is a major liability issue.
David talked this morning about Autodesk
having Inventor. One of the problems has been that
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