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1 not try to speak unless they really have something to 2 address because I'd hate to have to -- I wish I had the 3 turn off mike switch up here like I did upstairs. That 4 was wonderful. I'd hate to use insults as a way to get 5 it done. So bear with me. Don't speak unless you have 6 something new to say. The cheering stuff or 7 deriding -- we're way past it. So with that, what have 8 we got? 9 Well, it's interesting that we have more 10 speaker slips that we have chairs. Is there a big crowd 11 out there? No, not a big crowd? 12 MS. GOTTSDANKER: How many people in the 13 overflow room? 14 MR. BIERIG: There's three in the overflow 15 room. 16 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Only three people. Who are 17 all the speaker slips for? 18 MR. BIERIG: I don't know. It's interesting. 19 I wonder who the speaker slips are for from the 20 nonexistent speakers. That's kind of an interesting -- 21 it seems that there's a certain amount of theater going 22 on today. And it's really not appropriate to what we're 23 here to do. This is not a popularity contest and 24 filling out speaker slips for people that aren't here or 25 multiple speaker slips is just a waste of our time. 126
1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you making an 2 assumption? 3 MR. BIERIG: Yeah, I don't think I'm making 4 an assumption. 5 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: I think you are. 6 MR. BIERIG: Well, we'll see if they're here. 7 Let's see how many of these speaker slips actually show 8 up. 9 Sherry Stockwell. 10 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: There's one. 11 MR. BIERIG: There's one. 12 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: She was here. 13 MR. BIERIG: Shelia Lodge followed by 14 Sue Adams. 15 MS. LODGE: I'm Shelia Lodge here 16 representing CPA and myself in part. Mr. Chair, Members 17 of the Commission, CPA is very pleased the top floor of 18 the corner has been removed and that the porte cochere 19 has been removed. That's definitely an improvement. 20 However, a project on which the EIR was done 21 is still significantly different from the one that is 22 before you, and we still firmly believe that a full EIR 23 should be required. 24 A quick personal comment on the basis of some 25 comments made this morning. The Applicant says this 127
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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Page 77 and 78: 1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
Page 79 and 80: 1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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Page 83 and 84: 1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
Page 85 and 86: 1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
Page 87 and 88: 1 and I don't think it's a problem.
Page 89 and 90: 1 actually trying to supplement the
Page 91 and 92: 1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
Page 93 and 94: 1 way we came up with the number wa
Page 95 and 96: 1 You can meet this goal if you fol
Page 97 and 98: 1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
Page 99 and 100: 1 an estimate and based on knowledg
Page 101 and 102: 1 the number of rooms, and we came
Page 103 and 104: 1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
Page 105 and 106: 1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
Page 107 and 108: 1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
Page 109 and 110: 1 area, and you're very careful not
Page 111 and 112: 1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
Page 113 and 114: 1 coming into your plant? What's be
Page 115 and 116: 1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
Page 117 and 118: 1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
Page 119 and 120: 1 state of the design or whatever.
Page 121 and 122: 1 regulations that require you have
Page 123 and 124: 1 also have a hydraulic model that
Page 125: 1 management practices way onsite.
Page 129 and 130: 1 community for such a very long ti
Page 131 and 132: 1 except one historic building meet
Page 133 and 134: 1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
Page 135 and 136: 1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
Page 137 and 138: 1 that's not the wording of the doc
Page 139 and 140: 1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
Page 141 and 142: 1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
Page 143 and 144: 1 don't they deed their water right
Page 145 and 146: 1 Applicant to make some difficult
Page 147 and 148: 1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
Page 149 and 150: 1 impact on the public and the beac
Page 151 and 152: 1 cottage nature of site, this appe
Page 153 and 154: 1 two were already granted to Ian S
Page 155 and 156: 1 The County planning staff say the
Page 157 and 158: 1 if there is another fire, another
Page 159 and 160: 1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
Page 161 and 162: 1 have to ask yourself if things ha
Page 163 and 164: 1 were in communication with her ab
Page 165 and 166: 1 and every one of them is for the
Page 167 and 168: 1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
Page 169 and 170: 1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
Page 171 and 172: 1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
Page 173 and 174: 1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
Page 175 and 176: 1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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