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1 make sure we understand that what we're looking at here 2 on this side is 45 feet tall. 3 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, I can offer a little 4 information if you want, and again, I agree that 5 finished floor is a measure that we need to take into 6 consideration since our current ordinance does measure 7 height from finished grade -- finished grade into 8 consideration. 9 And I think that we all knew, when the new 10 height methodolgy was developed and adopted, that there 11 would be instances where this kind of banking would 12 occur. 13 But just for information purposes, the 14 finished floor of garage level P1 is 25.5 feet above 15 mean sea level. The roof is 37 feet. That's a little 16 lower than finished floor of the main lobby. The mid 17 point of the height of P1 31.25, and the average grade 18 around it is 33. So the mid point is 31, and the 19 average grade around it is 33. So the average grade 20 exceeds the mid point of that basement level. 21 MR. BIERIG: I'm not sure, Ms. Almy -- 22 MS. ALMY: That didn't work out, did it? 23 MR. BIERIG: No, I'm not sure what you're 24 trying to tell me. 25 MS. ALMY: I think what I'm trying to look at 246
1 is is this a basement? Because I think we're talking 2 about a different thing. 3 MR. BIERIG: I think it's a basement. Yeah, 4 I think it's a basement. 5 MR. PHILLIPS: Is it an exposed basement? Is 6 it a story? 7 MR. BIERIG: I guess the question I'm asking 8 is a little different. Is it rational for the purpose 9 of measuring to start your zero point above that first 10 level of windows? Because that's the zero point for the 11 purpose of measuring. Well, that's the zero level on 12 that drawing. 13 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's Level 1. That's the 14 finished floor. 15 MR. BIERIG: Level 0 is right there. So from 16 Jameson it's 15 feet in the air. So I'm not suggesting 17 we can't find a way to do this. I want to make sure we 18 all understand Level 1 on this building is 15 feet above 19 your head. 20 MR. PHILLIPS: And it could be higher. 21 MR. BIERIG: Well, if we allow them to pad it 22 up more, I'm suggesting it could be 100 feet higher. We 23 can make finished grade wherever we want to. So the 24 question is not where finished grade is. It's what's 25 rational and reasonable for us to allow as finished 247
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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Page 197 and 198: 1 concern for the Commission to loo
Page 199 and 200: 1 I know you people don't want to h
Page 201 and 202: 1 here's my take of the situation.
Page 203 and 204: 1 encouraged today to hear this gro
Page 205 and 206: 1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
Page 207 and 208: 1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
Page 209 and 210: 1 Montecitans know that the real se
Page 211 and 212: 1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
Page 213 and 214: 1 up. There is no room. If you just
Page 215 and 216: 1 I'd like to add that there are tw
Page 217 and 218: 1 and having been -- he said the Mo
Page 219 and 220: 1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
Page 221 and 222: 1 confer title. It didn't establish
Page 223 and 224: 1 think Errin knows more about this
Page 225 and 226: 1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
Page 227 and 228: 1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
Page 229 and 230: 1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
Page 231 and 232: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
Page 233 and 234: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
Page 235 and 236: 1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
Page 237 and 238: 1 be a place -- there was a public
Page 239 and 240: 1 guys are going to do, but then ho
Page 241 and 242: 1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
Page 243 and 244: 1 that visually depicts a segment o
Page 245: 1 So I think that's about where it
Page 249 and 250: 1 additional sheets because, yes, t
Page 251 and 252: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
Page 253 and 254: 1 it better. Yes, we're developing
Page 255 and 256: 1 And as far as how we would -- bec
Page 257 and 258: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
Page 259 and 260: 1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
Page 261 and 262: 1 And you've said that a number of
Page 263 and 264: 1 that's going to actually happen?
Page 265 and 266: 1 what the variables were that were
Page 267 and 268: 1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
Page 269 and 270: 1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
Page 271 and 272: 1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
Page 273 and 274: 1 used for the event, this is where
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Page 277 and 278: 1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
Page 279 and 280: 1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
Page 281 and 282: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
Page 283 and 284: 1 drainage issues that come up late
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Page 287 and 288: 1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
Page 289 and 290: 1 and when you begin to compare it
Page 291 and 292: 1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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Page 295 and 296: 1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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