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1 here might have some unintended impacts even though 2 you've designed it as a mitigation measure, and that 3 would be the risk. 4 MR. BIERIG: Right. But otherwise, it's not 5 a risk and that the conclusion reached is supported a 6 different -- in that the document supported a different 7 conclusion it's not a problem as long -- as you said, 8 because the conclusion is more restrictive not less 9 restrictive. 10 MR. GHIZZONI: Chairman, again, as long the 11 environmental document provides a basis for your 12 decision for either of the conditions or mitigation 13 measures, that's correct. 14 MR. BIERIG: Okay. Good. 15 Commissioner Overall. 16 MR. OVERALL: Following on the same point, 17 I'm referring to a document Mr. Yates wrote in response 18 to that questions I posed to him. I believe all 19 Commissioners received a copy of it from Ms. Black. 20 His first response -- the question was 21 basically can the Montecito Planning Commission disagree 22 with conclusions in a CEQA document and still approve or 23 certify it, and his response was no. He goes on in -- 24 do you have this document? 25 MR. GHIZZONI: Commissioner, yes, I do. 332
1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commissioner Bierig's questions to you just a second 3 ago, I'm having trouble resolving your answer to him 4 with what I'm reading here. If I'm reading Point No. 2, 5 it says -- has to be "and that the conclusions in the 6 documents are supported by substantial evidence, 7 period." That sounds like we have to agree with the 8 conclusions. 9 MR. GHIZZONI: Commissioner and 10 "Chairman" Overall, I think the distinction is -- the 11 question that I thought I was responding to from 12 Chairman Bierig was does your Commission have the 13 ability to apply different conditions or additional 14 mitigation or a different or additional mitigation 15 measures, not whether you were in agreement or not in 16 agreement with the conclusions of the environmental 17 document, which are two slightly different questions. 18 MR. OVERALL: I made a leap there that may 19 not have been. 20 MR. GHIZZONI: So if you were to find that 21 the conclusions within the environmental document were 22 not warranted or not supported by substantial evidence, 23 then, no, you should not be adopting that environmental 24 document or certifying it. 25 MR. OVERALL: So if we were to disagree with 333
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
Page 281 and 282: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
Page 283 and 284: 1 drainage issues that come up late
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Page 287 and 288: 1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
Page 289 and 290: 1 and when you begin to compare it
Page 291 and 292: 1 So on our payroll count, the amou
Page 293 and 294: 1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
Page 295 and 296: 1 levelizing the site so that peopl
Page 297 and 298: 1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
Page 299 and 300: 1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
Page 301 and 302: 1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 303 and 304: 1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
Page 305 and 306: 1 That's another option that could
Page 307 and 308: 1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
Page 309 and 310: 1 Staff, would you mind commenting
Page 311 and 312: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
Page 313 and 314: 1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
Page 315 and 316: 1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
Page 317 and 318: 1 including me, have been working w
Page 319 and 320: 1 the funding stream is pretty well
Page 321 and 322: 1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
Page 323 and 324: 1 into the record, and if you accep
Page 325 and 326: 1 incorrect. I need to correct some
Page 327 and 328: 1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
Page 329 and 330: 1 And then you have the proposed fi
Page 331: 1 decision you'll be making as well
Page 335 and 336: 1 some regards to the Schrager plan
Page 337 and 338: 1 this opinion that the court expli
Page 339 and 340: 1 mitigated negative declaration th
Page 341 and 342: 1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
Page 343 and 344: 1 environmental effects from that t
Page 345 and 346: 1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
Page 347 and 348: 1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
Page 349 and 350: 1 certify the environmental documen
Page 351 and 352: 1 flexibilities so that with this r
Page 353 and 354: 1 process I think this community ow
Page 355 and 356: 1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
Page 357 and 358: 1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
Page 359 and 360: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
Page 361 and 362: 1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
Page 363 and 364: 1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 365 and 366: 1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
Page 367 and 368: 1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
Page 369 and 370: 1 setback, and I think to go beyond
Page 371 and 372: 1 same location. So the only one th
Page 373 and 374: 1 them in and have more landscaping
Page 375 and 376: 1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
Page 377 and 378: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
Page 379 and 380: 1 potential policy in the community
Page 381 and 382: 1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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