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1 really shows up on this other flat drawing where you see 2 the ridge lines are completely flat. 3 MR. PERKINS: Yeah. If we can go to sheet 4 A2.09L, that shows the roof plan. It shows -- the one 5 suggestion, it sounds like, from MBAR that was made was 6 discussing certain areas of it being a flat roof which 7 would allow you then to vary that ridge line. 8 We were doing that on the second level of the 9 spa before we took that off. So it was actually 10 something we were looking at doing, and it applied to 11 that. It could be applied to this as well to drop that 12 ridge. 13 MR. BIERIG: I know a number of suggestions 14 that it could be done and still have the same plate 15 heights interior-wise but look different exterior-wise. 16 MR. PERKINS: Correct. 17 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Well, it should be noted 18 that both the first floor and the second floor of these 19 buildings are -- have 12-foot plate heights. 20 MR. BIERIG: I understand. 21 MS. GOTTSDANKER: So it could be that, in 22 order to vary the height of those buildings, that some 23 of those buildings had ten-foot plate heights which 24 would then take out four feet of the total height of the 25 building which would then allow a play of roof forms. 304
1 That's another option that could take place. 2 MR. BIERIG: Right. I'm not sure if I'm 3 capable of articulating that as nice as you did. Yeah, 4 by varying the plate heights you have a lot more control 5 over making that look good. 6 And the height of this building is -- remind 7 me, either staff or -- I think staff. 8 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's 24. 9 MR. BIERIG: We're within the height 10 limitation on Building 44, are we not? 11 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yes, yes. 12 MR. BIERIG: Is that from -- that's from 13 finished grade? 14 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's 24 to the plate height 15 and whatever it is to the roof height. 16 MR. BIERIG: And we've got the extra 3 feet 17 because of the Form 1 pitch. 18 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, yeah. 19 MR. BIERIG: I would like to see 20 Commissioner Gottsdanker, if we can try to articulate 21 something that would give direction to MBAR if this 22 continues to go through the process on how that could be 23 handled. 24 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: The height of that building 25 is roughly 28 1/2 feet above finished floor, and varying 305
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
Page 253 and 254: 1 it better. Yes, we're developing
Page 255 and 256: 1 And as far as how we would -- bec
Page 257 and 258: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
Page 259 and 260: 1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
Page 261 and 262: 1 And you've said that a number of
Page 263 and 264: 1 that's going to actually happen?
Page 265 and 266: 1 what the variables were that were
Page 267 and 268: 1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
Page 269 and 270: 1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
Page 271 and 272: 1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
Page 273 and 274: 1 used for the event, this is where
Page 275 and 276: 1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
Page 277 and 278: 1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
Page 279 and 280: 1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
Page 281 and 282: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
Page 283 and 284: 1 drainage issues that come up late
Page 285 and 286: 1 they would be allowed to bring on
Page 287 and 288: 1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
Page 289 and 290: 1 and when you begin to compare it
Page 291 and 292: 1 So on our payroll count, the amou
Page 293 and 294: 1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
Page 295 and 296: 1 levelizing the site so that peopl
Page 297 and 298: 1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
Page 299 and 300: 1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
Page 301 and 302: 1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 303: 1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
Page 307 and 308: 1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
Page 309 and 310: 1 Staff, would you mind commenting
Page 311 and 312: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
Page 313 and 314: 1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
Page 315 and 316: 1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
Page 317 and 318: 1 including me, have been working w
Page 319 and 320: 1 the funding stream is pretty well
Page 321 and 322: 1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
Page 323 and 324: 1 into the record, and if you accep
Page 325 and 326: 1 incorrect. I need to correct some
Page 327 and 328: 1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
Page 329 and 330: 1 And then you have the proposed fi
Page 331 and 332: 1 decision you'll be making as well
Page 333 and 334: 1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
Page 335 and 336: 1 some regards to the Schrager plan
Page 337 and 338: 1 this opinion that the court expli
Page 339 and 340: 1 mitigated negative declaration th
Page 341 and 342: 1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
Page 343 and 344: 1 environmental effects from that t
Page 345 and 346: 1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
Page 347 and 348: 1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
Page 349 and 350: 1 certify the environmental documen
Page 351 and 352: 1 flexibilities so that with this r
Page 353 and 354: 1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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