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1 MS. TOLLEN: Sure. 2 MR. BIERIG: I don't think there's anything 3 new on noise. 4 MS. TOLLEN: You don't? All right. 5 MR. BIERIG: I appreciate your passion on 6 this. 7 MS. TOLLEN: That's okay. That's all right. 8 I'm just going to say one thing. I don't think I'm a 9 negative person, and I took exception to that. I think 10 I'm a really positive person. I just wanted to set the 11 record straight. 12 MR. BIERIG: Thank you. 13 MR. MELTZER: Chairman, Commissioners, I'm 14 Bob Meltzer. I moved to Montecito 11 years ago. I can 15 see the site of this project from my house. I think you 16 are holding a terrific hearing on a incredibly complex 17 issue. I would be bald and probably dead if I tried to 18 do this myself. I've learned a lot. I've heard answers 19 to a lot of questions that have been raised both 20 directly and by inference in a lot of different forums, 21 including the blogs and press around town. There have 22 been a lot of direct answers to those questions, and now 23 we're starting to hear actually people objecting to the 24 answers and asking the same questions again. 25 I was about to add the one thing I haven't 194
1 heard mentioning of was private property rights, but the 2 prior speaker from this side just did an excellent job 3 of raising that issue, which, frankly, having lived in 4 seven other states, I wonder if California actually 5 recognizes private property rights sometimes. 6 As to the concerns of the Caruso crew is 7 somehow behaving badly by running a public relations 8 campaign, I would observe that the Move On Dot Org 9 people, the Environmental Defense Center, CPA, Impeach 10 Bush -- practically any organization you can name -- 11 does exactly the same thing to further their own cause. 12 And this is not somehow nefarious. This is, in fact, 13 part of the process. 14 I think Caruso has turned himself and his 15 organization inside out to redesign his plan a number of 16 times, has met many, many objections, and the time has 17 come to move forward with it. Thank you. 18 MR. BIERIG: Thank you. 19 MR. ARCHIBALD: Thank you, Chairman and 20 Commissioners. My name is Larry Archibald. I live 21 right next to Miramar on the beach. I have a few 22 comments on some of the things that have come up this 23 morning and in the staff report that proceeded this 24 meeting. 25 The parking spaces we've been talking about 195
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
Page 143 and 144: 1 don't they deed their water right
Page 145 and 146: 1 Applicant to make some difficult
Page 147 and 148: 1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
Page 149 and 150: 1 impact on the public and the beac
Page 151 and 152: 1 cottage nature of site, this appe
Page 153 and 154: 1 two were already granted to Ian S
Page 155 and 156: 1 The County planning staff say the
Page 157 and 158: 1 if there is another fire, another
Page 159 and 160: 1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
Page 161 and 162: 1 have to ask yourself if things ha
Page 163 and 164: 1 were in communication with her ab
Page 165 and 166: 1 and every one of them is for the
Page 167 and 168: 1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
Page 169 and 170: 1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
Page 171 and 172: 1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
Page 173 and 174: 1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
Page 175 and 176: 1 not ready for approval today. It'
Page 177 and 178: 1 for a massive PR campaign and no
Page 179 and 180: 1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
Page 181 and 182: 1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
Page 183 and 184: 1 But the water is there. We need t
Page 185 and 186: 1 I need not tell you that under CE
Page 187 and 188: 1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
Page 189 and 190: 1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
Page 191 and 192: 1 remember that. This is a free ent
Page 193: 1 The Headrow area on the north sid
Page 197 and 198: 1 concern for the Commission to loo
Page 199 and 200: 1 I know you people don't want to h
Page 201 and 202: 1 here's my take of the situation.
Page 203 and 204: 1 encouraged today to hear this gro
Page 205 and 206: 1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
Page 207 and 208: 1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
Page 209 and 210: 1 Montecitans know that the real se
Page 211 and 212: 1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
Page 213 and 214: 1 up. There is no room. If you just
Page 215 and 216: 1 I'd like to add that there are tw
Page 217 and 218: 1 and having been -- he said the Mo
Page 219 and 220: 1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
Page 221 and 222: 1 confer title. It didn't establish
Page 223 and 224: 1 think Errin knows more about this
Page 225 and 226: 1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
Page 227 and 228: 1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
Page 229 and 230: 1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
Page 231 and 232: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
Page 233 and 234: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
Page 235 and 236: 1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
Page 237 and 238: 1 be a place -- there was a public
Page 239 and 240: 1 guys are going to do, but then ho
Page 241 and 242: 1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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