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1 motion related to heights of buildings adjacent to 2 public streets. I can live with the beach and tennis 3 club. I don't see any problem with the height. 4 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I don't have trouble with 5 that. 6 MR. BIERIG: I don't think any of us have 7 issues with that. 8 MR. OVERALL: A motion related to Buildings 1 9 and 5 -- I think they ought to conform to the community 10 plan. I can find no justification. There have been 11 alternatives presented by people in the community, 12 architects in the community. It's indicated there are 13 other places to put parking. The argument it has to be 14 this tall because of P1 and P2 -- I just don't feel 15 that's a justification. 16 MR. BIERIG: Can I suggest a slight 17 modification. 18 MR. OVERALL: Certainly. 19 MR. BIERIG: That we not grant a modification 20 of height limitation and that for the purposes of 21 measuring the height of this building that the top of 22 the curb on Jameson be Level 0. 23 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Level 0 of the two-story 24 habitable area? 25 MR. BIERIG: Finished first floor. 376
1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allow for 2 still -- 3 MR. BIERIG: 35 feet. 4 MS. GOTTSDANKER: -- 35 feet for that part of 5 the building? 6 MR. BIERIG: They can build exactly the same 7 building if they want to. They just have to push it 8 down. 9 MR. PHILLIPS: And you argue for this because 10 that's the real visual impact? 11 MR. BIERIG: Yes. 12 MR. PHILLIPS: I like that as well. 13 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I'll go with it. 14 MS. BURROWS: I'll support that. 15 MR. BIERIG: Okay. Same. 16 Claire, I don't know if you want to address 17 any of the discussion we had on Building 44 in addition 18 to the setback issue. 19 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Earlier in the day, what I 20 was going to recommend is that, I think, the project 21 should comply with our encroachment policy; so the 22 sidewalk should be -- sidewalk and signage should be 23 added to the outside of the sound wall. 24 MR. OVERALL: Stop right there. Is that a 25 motion? 377
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
Page 325 and 326: 1 incorrect. I need to correct some
Page 327 and 328: 1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
Page 329 and 330: 1 And then you have the proposed fi
Page 331 and 332: 1 decision you'll be making as well
Page 333 and 334: 1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
Page 335 and 336: 1 some regards to the Schrager plan
Page 337 and 338: 1 this opinion that the court expli
Page 339 and 340: 1 mitigated negative declaration th
Page 341 and 342: 1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
Page 343 and 344: 1 environmental effects from that t
Page 345 and 346: 1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
Page 347 and 348: 1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
Page 349 and 350: 1 certify the environmental documen
Page 351 and 352: 1 flexibilities so that with this r
Page 353 and 354: 1 process I think this community ow
Page 355 and 356: 1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
Page 357 and 358: 1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
Page 359 and 360: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
Page 361 and 362: 1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
Page 363 and 364: 1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 365 and 366: 1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
Page 367 and 368: 1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
Page 369 and 370: 1 setback, and I think to go beyond
Page 371 and 372: 1 same location. So the only one th
Page 373 and 374: 1 them in and have more landscaping
Page 375: 1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
Page 379 and 380: 1 potential policy in the community
Page 381 and 382: 1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
Page 383 and 384: 1 from those residents who foresee
Page 385 and 386: 1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
Page 387 and 388: 1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
Page 389 and 390: 1 to make one, I would say we ought
Page 391 and 392: 1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
Page 393 and 394: 1 a year from now or two years from
Page 395 and 396: 1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
Page 397 and 398: 1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
Page 399 and 400: 1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
Page 401 and 402: 1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
Page 403 and 404: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
Page 405 and 406: 1 importance, then you're signally
Page 407 and 408: 1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
Page 409 and 410: 1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
Page 411 and 412: 1 what you proposed? If you can rem
Page 413 and 414: 1 what I just told you, and that is
Page 415 and 416: 1 They can operate within the frame
Page 417 and 418: 1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
Page 419 and 420: 1 expect this result. So I'm probab
Page 421 and 422: 1 this property than we do. And a p
Page 423 and 424: 1 and whether those are appropriate
Page 425 and 426: 1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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