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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think Mr. Caruso can 2 redesign this and bring down the square footage, bring 3 the look more cottagey, and still keep the FAR number. 4 MR. BIERIG: The percentage. 5 MR. PHILLIPS: He may need it. I don't know. 6 Maybe you can get cottagey and littler and still have 7 the same FAR. 8 MR. BIERIG: Without everybody sticking to 9 their votes, how about if I make a straw motion that we 10 not count 18 -- excuse me. I keep saying -- that's a 11 project of mine -- Lot 11. The railroad is out. It's 12 not part of the project for the calculation of FAR and 13 that 6 is in. 14 MS. BLACK: Do you want us to call roll? 15 MR. BIERIG: No, no, we don't need to be that 16 formal, I don't think. 17 MS. GOTTSDANKER: So we're taking a straw 18 vote to whether 11 is out? 19 MR. BIERIG: How about the beach? Should the 20 beach be included? 21 MR. PHILLIPS: Yes. 22 MS. BURROWS: Yes. 23 MR. BIERIG: Yes. 24 MR. OVERALL: No. 25 MR. BIERIG: We already have three yeses. 362
1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Out. 3 MR. OVERALL: Out. 4 MS. BURROWS: Are you in? 5 MR. BIERIG: I'm not sure. I'll defer to you 6 guys. 7 MR. PHILLIPS: I think it's in. 8 MS. BURROWS: In. 9 MR. BIERIG: Out. And the reason I went 10 there is not because I don't think it should be. I 11 think your comment about the total mass is too much, and 12 one of the ways for us to legitimately get there is 13 to -- 14 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Great. Thank you very 15 much. 16 MR. BIERIG: You're welcome. Let's talk 17 about heights and setbacks. 18 MR. OVERALL: One at a time. 19 MR. BIERIG: My suggestion is let's look at 20 Jameson. We've got -- Jameson in particular we've got 21 buildings that are over -- well, according to my notes, 22 we are -- I'll throw out my suggestion. I'm not willing 23 to have any two-story buildings in the setback. No 24 two-story buildings in the setback. 25 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Okay. Let me look. Within 363
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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Page 313 and 314: 1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
Page 315 and 316: 1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
Page 317 and 318: 1 including me, have been working w
Page 319 and 320: 1 the funding stream is pretty well
Page 321 and 322: 1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
Page 323 and 324: 1 into the record, and if you accep
Page 325 and 326: 1 incorrect. I need to correct some
Page 327 and 328: 1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
Page 329 and 330: 1 And then you have the proposed fi
Page 331 and 332: 1 decision you'll be making as well
Page 333 and 334: 1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
Page 335 and 336: 1 some regards to the Schrager plan
Page 337 and 338: 1 this opinion that the court expli
Page 339 and 340: 1 mitigated negative declaration th
Page 341 and 342: 1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
Page 343 and 344: 1 environmental effects from that t
Page 345 and 346: 1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
Page 347 and 348: 1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
Page 349 and 350: 1 certify the environmental documen
Page 351 and 352: 1 flexibilities so that with this r
Page 353 and 354: 1 process I think this community ow
Page 355 and 356: 1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
Page 357 and 358: 1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
Page 359 and 360: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
Page 361: 1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
Page 365 and 366: 1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
Page 367 and 368: 1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
Page 369 and 370: 1 setback, and I think to go beyond
Page 371 and 372: 1 same location. So the only one th
Page 373 and 374: 1 them in and have more landscaping
Page 375 and 376: 1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
Page 377 and 378: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
Page 379 and 380: 1 potential policy in the community
Page 381 and 382: 1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
Page 383 and 384: 1 from those residents who foresee
Page 385 and 386: 1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
Page 387 and 388: 1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
Page 389 and 390: 1 to make one, I would say we ought
Page 391 and 392: 1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
Page 393 and 394: 1 a year from now or two years from
Page 395 and 396: 1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
Page 397 and 398: 1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
Page 399 and 400: 1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
Page 401 and 402: 1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
Page 403 and 404: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
Page 405 and 406: 1 importance, then you're signally
Page 407 and 408: 1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
Page 409 and 410: 1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
Page 411 and 412: 1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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