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1 that? No, we wouldn't. We would not count that. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: What if, within that planting 3 easement, landscape easement, I have the right to build 4 a shed on there for potting and shortage? Would that 5 change your view? Would you let me have that acreage or 6 square footage for FAR calculation? 7 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's not in relationship 8 to FAR because sheds and whatever you're referring are 9 not part of residential FAR calculation. We don't use 10 it. 11 MR. PHILLIPS: Does it make my easement 12 different if I have the right to build on it? 13 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's a county counsel 14 question. You'll have to go to her for that. That's a 15 legal issue. 16 MR. PHILLIPS: I think that's what's 17 happening here. I think we need to look to residential 18 for precedence because that's what we're comparing as 19 we're doing an FAR residential calculation. 20 MR. BIERIG: I don't think necessarily -- 21 MS. BLACK: No, Mr. Chair, we're not doing a 22 residential FAR calculation. That's not what we are 23 doing. We provided that information in our memo because 24 Commissioner Gottsdanker asked for it for comparison 25 purposes. I'm not sure why. 256
1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted to know. 2 MS. BLACK: Because she wanted to know. But 3 that's not the calculation we're using, and it's not the 4 comparison we're making. We're making it based on 5 definitions in the Coastal Zoning Ordinance and the 6 overlay. So I think this is a matter of 7 interpretation -- 8 MR. BIERIG: Would you remind us again of 9 the -- of how you achieved your interpretation using 10 Lot 11. 11 MS. BLACK: We included the portion -- well, 12 we included Lot 11 because Lot 11 excludes the railroad 13 proper because we found it to be an integral part of the 14 development, and it's subject to interpretation. 15 If you look at the definition of floor area 16 ratio, it says that you divide the square footage you 17 come up with under that definition by the sum of the net 18 lot area of all parcels included in the development 19 plan. Our interpretation was that's included in the 20 development plan. But I will not stand here and say to 21 you you couldn't make a different interpretation. 22 MR. BIERIG: So the analysis was this lot, 23 although not owned by the developer -- it's part of its 24 development plan and, therefore, could be calculated. 25 MS. BLACK: Because they're using it for 257
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
Page 205 and 206: 1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
Page 207 and 208: 1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
Page 209 and 210: 1 Montecitans know that the real se
Page 211 and 212: 1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
Page 213 and 214: 1 up. There is no room. If you just
Page 215 and 216: 1 I'd like to add that there are tw
Page 217 and 218: 1 and having been -- he said the Mo
Page 219 and 220: 1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
Page 221 and 222: 1 confer title. It didn't establish
Page 223 and 224: 1 think Errin knows more about this
Page 225 and 226: 1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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Page 229 and 230: 1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
Page 231 and 232: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
Page 233 and 234: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
Page 235 and 236: 1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
Page 237 and 238: 1 be a place -- there was a public
Page 239 and 240: 1 guys are going to do, but then ho
Page 241 and 242: 1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
Page 243 and 244: 1 that visually depicts a segment o
Page 245 and 246: 1 So I think that's about where it
Page 247 and 248: 1 is is this a basement? Because I
Page 249 and 250: 1 additional sheets because, yes, t
Page 251 and 252: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
Page 253 and 254: 1 it better. Yes, we're developing
Page 255: 1 And as far as how we would -- bec
Page 259 and 260: 1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
Page 261 and 262: 1 And you've said that a number of
Page 263 and 264: 1 that's going to actually happen?
Page 265 and 266: 1 what the variables were that were
Page 267 and 268: 1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
Page 269 and 270: 1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
Page 271 and 272: 1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
Page 273 and 274: 1 used for the event, this is where
Page 275 and 276: 1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
Page 277 and 278: 1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
Page 279 and 280: 1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
Page 281 and 282: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
Page 283 and 284: 1 drainage issues that come up late
Page 285 and 286: 1 they would be allowed to bring on
Page 287 and 288: 1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
Page 289 and 290: 1 and when you begin to compare it
Page 291 and 292: 1 So on our payroll count, the amou
Page 293 and 294: 1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
Page 295 and 296: 1 levelizing the site so that peopl
Page 297 and 298: 1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
Page 299 and 300: 1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
Page 301 and 302: 1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 303 and 304: 1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
Page 305 and 306: 1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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