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1 MR. PHILLIPS: So we can ignore that or make 2 believe it isn't going to happen, or we can get an SEIR 3 on water and maybe beef up the traffic a little, and I 4 can live with that. 5 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Can we -- Mr. Chair, can we 6 separate the two issues for the purpose of straw voting 7 here? 8 MS. BURROWS: Which two issues? 9 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Traffic and water. We have 10 two issues here, and we're collapsing them. So it's 11 kind of difficult to -- you know, at this late hour for 12 my little brain. 13 MR. BIERIG: We can do whatever we want to. 14 I'm not convinced I need more information or -- I don't 15 think I need more information. 16 MS. GOTTSDANKER: So all I'm doing is asking 17 you if we can have the discussions separate since the 18 original discussion was collapsing the two together. 19 Now, inside of further discussion, I can see that we 20 actually might be able to separate it which might 21 actually separate my opinion. I'm not quite sure, but 22 I'd rather think one thing at a time at 8:30 at night, 23 whatever time it is. 24 MR. BIERIG: Please proceed. 25 MR. OVERALL: Michael, do you want to restate 410
1 what you proposed? If you can remember that far back. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, it's just -- 3 MR. PHILLIPS: Let's do it in two steps. I 4 think -- I just can't see -- I think we need an SEIR on 5 water, or we're going to lose this document, and it's 6 going have to be done from the beginning. No one wants 7 that. We've got 99 percent of it. 8 If we can do it without an SEIR and survive, 9 let's try it. Maybe that's what we should do. Let the 10 court worry about it. I don't know. The water story 11 keeps changing. We got to nail it down. 12 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I completely agree with 13 you. You know, there's the thing we don't know about 14 the -- one of the things that didn't even come up today 15 is that there are other wells that belong to the 16 Montecito Water District that are right across the 17 freeway. They've got a couple down at Sheffield. That 18 didn't even come up today is are they going to then 19 start pumping those wells to deliver water? I don't 20 know that. I don't know that because it's very nebulous 21 at this point where any additional water needs are going 22 to come from whether they get paid for or not -- I mean 23 paid for where they're going to come from. 24 MR. PHILLIPS: We don't even know if there's 25 water in the community because we're supposed to start 411
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
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1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
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1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
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1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
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1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
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1 not ready for approval today. It'
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1 for a massive PR campaign and no
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1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
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1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
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1 But the water is there. We need t
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1 I need not tell you that under CE
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1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
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1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
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1 remember that. This is a free ent
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1 The Headrow area on the north sid
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1 heard mentioning of was private p
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1 concern for the Commission to loo
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1 I know you people don't want to h
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1 here's my take of the situation.
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1 encouraged today to hear this gro
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1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
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1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
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1 Montecitans know that the real se
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1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
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1 up. There is no room. If you just
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1 I'd like to add that there are tw
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1 and having been -- he said the Mo
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1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call
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1 confer title. It didn't establish
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1 think Errin knows more about this
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1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
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1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
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1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
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1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
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1 be a place -- there was a public
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1 guys are going to do, but then ho
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1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
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1 that visually depicts a segment o
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1 So I think that's about where it
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1 is is this a basement? Because I
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1 additional sheets because, yes, t
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
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1 it better. Yes, we're developing
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1 And as far as how we would -- bec
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
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1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
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1 And you've said that a number of
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1 that's going to actually happen?
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1 what the variables were that were
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1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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Page 361 and 362: 1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
Page 363 and 364: 1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
Page 365 and 366: 1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
Page 367 and 368: 1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
Page 369 and 370: 1 setback, and I think to go beyond
Page 371 and 372: 1 same location. So the only one th
Page 373 and 374: 1 them in and have more landscaping
Page 375 and 376: 1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
Page 377 and 378: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
Page 379 and 380: 1 potential policy in the community
Page 381 and 382: 1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
Page 383 and 384: 1 from those residents who foresee
Page 385 and 386: 1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
Page 387 and 388: 1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
Page 389 and 390: 1 to make one, I would say we ought
Page 391 and 392: 1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
Page 393 and 394: 1 a year from now or two years from
Page 395 and 396: 1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
Page 397 and 398: 1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
Page 399 and 400: 1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
Page 401 and 402: 1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
Page 403 and 404: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
Page 405 and 406: 1 importance, then you're signally
Page 407 and 408: 1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
Page 409: 1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
Page 413 and 414: 1 what I just told you, and that is
Page 415 and 416: 1 They can operate within the frame
Page 417 and 418: 1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
Page 419 and 420: 1 expect this result. So I'm probab
Page 421 and 422: 1 this property than we do. And a p
Page 423 and 424: 1 and whether those are appropriate
Page 425 and 426: 1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
Page 427 and 428: 1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
Page 429 and 430: 1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
Page 431 and 432: 1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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