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1 proceedings, he feels you agree this is not the right 2 project. 3 This project needs to be approved but with 4 strict conditions that bring it into compliance with the 5 community plan because it is unfair for any Applicant 6 for any reason to develop by a set of standards not 7 consistent with the Montecito Community Plan but not 8 available to every other Applicant who asks for similar 9 variance. 10 He feels that it may be arguable that the 11 discretion card could be played because of the nature of 12 this project, but he says that he feels that that would 13 be a serious mistake. He believes that, if we all work 14 collaboratively and without rancor, we can resolve this 15 issue quickly. 16 "I urge you as true stewards of our plan to 17 assist both the community and the Applicant by finding 18 the appropriate project that completely satisfies 19 neither party but is the definition of a great 20 compromise." 21 Thank you for your time and consideration. 22 MR. BIERIG: Thank you. Well, that concludes 23 the public portion of our meeting today, and I think 24 we'll take a break here and come back at 3:15. 25 (Whereupon a short recess was taken.) 218
1 MR. BIERIG: So I'm going to call us back 2 into order for the Miramar matter. Normally this would 3 be the time we would get into rebuttal from the 4 Applicant related to public comment. I'm sure you'll 5 have some. 6 I thought maybe we could save some time if we 7 did questions of staff and Applicant and anything that 8 we don't address because it may be that some stuff we 9 have questions on are the same things you'll want to 10 comment to us. 11 So I think it will save time if that's okay, 12 and then of course, anything you want to rebut when 13 we're finished if it hasn't gotten out, please have at 14 it. 15 So in no particular order does anybody have 16 anything they want to start with? 17 Claire, Commissioner Gottsdanker. 18 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Sure. Given I've lived 19 here 49 years, I'll go first. I would like to see from 20 staff a display of the parcel map only. I could not 21 find any document within the documents that I had which 22 only showed me parcel maps which made it very difficult 23 to determine where the parcel lines are. 24 MR. BIERIG: I've got one. 25 MS. GOTTSDANKER: You've got a parcel map. 219
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1 MIRAMAR BEACH RESORT AND BUNGALOW
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1 SPEAKERS CONTINUED: 2 NICOLE MAYS
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1 SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA 2 WEDNE
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1 2008; and to certify the subseque
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1 And following that we will take s
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1 District is committed to serving
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1 In general the two properties are
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1 We also took a look at getting mo
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1 Covina Water District -- or Monte
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1 Applicant's team, I think Mr. Ghi
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1 So first, with respect to our set
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1 With respect to the parking modif
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1 modification. 2 But according to
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1 Commission at our January meeting
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1 underground parking in order to i
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1 level, we are able to have -- the
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1 (indicating). This will allow for
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1 from the community. 2 We are prov
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1 We have been in front of the 2 Mo
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1 staff table. 2 THE WITNESS: Hello
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1 this is important for a couple of
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1 contours off the photo, and then
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1 Commissioner Burrows, please. 2 M
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1 with the Schrager project, we do
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1 MR. HAVLIK: I never ran a tape, b
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1 parking on Miramar and how that i
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1 spaces are going to be found or i
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1 spaces? 2 MS. ALMY: Mr. Chair, Co
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1 works. I was just going to say ba
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1 resort projects, and then this pr
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1 technical issues in how they're w
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1 afternoon peak which is the highe
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1 think it's an open question as to
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1 thing. Where will that be? Do you
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1 overflow roughly spaces. You have
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1 Commissioner Gottsdanker, your fi
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: That's right. Th
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1 seats as opposed to square footag
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1 by Caruso Affiliated correctly, t
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1 MR. BIERIG: Makes sense to me. Le
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1 trips; 1 trip; in one case, 4 tri
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1 MR. STEWART: This is the intercha
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1 number as to what it is. 2 MS. BL
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1 and I don't think it's a problem.
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1 actually trying to supplement the
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1 you will pay at a higher cost," b
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1 way we came up with the number wa
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1 You can meet this goal if you fol
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1 in '89 and '90, they actually inc
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1 an estimate and based on knowledg
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1 the number of rooms, and we came
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1 hearing. 2 MR. BIERIG: Director B
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1 need going forward? 2 MR. MOSBY:
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1 status of that is. 2 MR. MOSBY: Y
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1 area, and you're very careful not
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1 MR. BIERIG: Yes, just found it. I
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1 coming into your plant? What's be
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1 new project. 2 MR. BIERIG: Just s
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1 Heal the Ocean letter; so if we'r
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1 state of the design or whatever.
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1 regulations that require you have
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1 also have a hydraulic model that
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1 management practices way onsite.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Aren't you m
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1 community for such a very long ti
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1 except one historic building meet
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1 the ordinance. I was on many of t
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1 determined to be included. 2 MR.
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1 that's not the wording of the doc
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1 Gottsdanker, they're not enclosed
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1 MR. BUERGEY: Buergey? 2 MR. BIERI
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1 don't they deed their water right
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1 Applicant to make some difficult
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1 a working Joe. In defense of myse
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1 impact on the public and the beac
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1 cottage nature of site, this appe
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1 two were already granted to Ian S
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1 The County planning staff say the
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1 if there is another fire, another
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1 I'm a composer and 15-year reside
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1 have to ask yourself if things ha
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1 were in communication with her ab
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1 and every one of them is for the
Page 167 and 168: 1 MR. BIERIG: Harry, I'm going to h
Page 169 and 170: 1 "That's not an inappropriate gues
Page 171 and 172: 1 studied in the EIR. The conclusio
Page 173 and 174: 1 mods. 2 The County needs to apply
Page 175 and 176: 1 not ready for approval today. It'
Page 177 and 178: 1 for a massive PR campaign and no
Page 179 and 180: 1 process was exhausting, I'm grate
Page 181 and 182: 1 Just let me finish. You know, I'v
Page 183 and 184: 1 But the water is there. We need t
Page 185 and 186: 1 I need not tell you that under CE
Page 187 and 188: 1 We're looking at a beautiful proj
Page 189 and 190: 1 other than an address. 2 I beg to
Page 191 and 192: 1 remember that. This is a free ent
Page 193 and 194: 1 The Headrow area on the north sid
Page 195 and 196: 1 heard mentioning of was private p
Page 197 and 198: 1 concern for the Commission to loo
Page 199 and 200: 1 I know you people don't want to h
Page 201 and 202: 1 here's my take of the situation.
Page 203 and 204: 1 encouraged today to hear this gro
Page 205 and 206: 1 but for God sakes don't hold up p
Page 207 and 208: 1 In conclusion, like everybody I k
Page 209 and 210: 1 Montecitans know that the real se
Page 211 and 212: 1 Why then, as you leave Summerland
Page 213 and 214: 1 up. There is no room. If you just
Page 215 and 216: 1 I'd like to add that there are tw
Page 217: 1 and having been -- he said the Mo
Page 221 and 222: 1 confer title. It didn't establish
Page 223 and 224: 1 think Errin knows more about this
Page 225 and 226: 1 MR. YOKHAM: That was done by an a
Page 227 and 228: 1 railroad parcel, or is that Mr. C
Page 229 and 230: 1 MS. BLACK: That's clear. Did the
Page 231 and 232: 1 MR. PHILLIPS: You would never go
Page 233 and 234: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: That's a good po
Page 235 and 236: 1 remember, but code 35.10 -- and I
Page 237 and 238: 1 be a place -- there was a public
Page 239 and 240: 1 guys are going to do, but then ho
Page 241 and 242: 1 make -- I'm not saying we'll make
Page 243 and 244: 1 that visually depicts a segment o
Page 245 and 246: 1 So I think that's about where it
Page 247 and 248: 1 is is this a basement? Because I
Page 249 and 250: 1 additional sheets because, yes, t
Page 251 and 252: 1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Are you looking
Page 253 and 254: 1 it better. Yes, we're developing
Page 255 and 256: 1 And as far as how we would -- bec
Page 257 and 258: 1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Because I wanted
Page 259 and 260: 1 MS. BLACK: Correct. 2 MR. BIERIG:
Page 261 and 262: 1 And you've said that a number of
Page 263 and 264: 1 that's going to actually happen?
Page 265 and 266: 1 what the variables were that were
Page 267 and 268: 1 number of rooms, you get 100 and
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1 MR. SHELL: You know, I haven't be
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1 about 32 feet that I measured beh
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1 used for the event, this is where
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1 number of spaces. I'm relating to
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1 MS. BLACK: If that's -- the origi
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1 hydrants. So you lose some effici
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We've committed
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1 drainage issues that come up late
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1 they would be allowed to bring on
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1 MR. OVERALL: Can you give us any
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1 and when you begin to compare it
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1 So on our payroll count, the amou
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1 hour trips? 2 MR. STEWART: Mr. Ch
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1 levelizing the site so that peopl
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1 MR. BIERIG: Commissioner Burrows.
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1 MR. CARUSO: 18.6 feet above finis
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1 same building. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 single mass. 2 MR. PERKINS: Right
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1 That's another option that could
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1 opportunity. 2 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: C
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1 Staff, would you mind commenting
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1 MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They're here, he
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1 MR. CARUSO: Commissioner, I would
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1 Mr. Caruso with the idea that he
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1 including me, have been working w
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1 the funding stream is pretty well
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1 monitor on the site. 2 So we'll m
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1 into the record, and if you accep
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1 incorrect. I need to correct some
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1 hoping to address that. 2 And may
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1 And then you have the proposed fi
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1 decision you'll be making as well
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1 MR. OVERALL: And based on 2 Commi
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1 some regards to the Schrager plan
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1 this opinion that the court expli
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1 mitigated negative declaration th
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1 (Whereupon a short recess was tak
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1 environmental effects from that t
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1 April 15th, 2008. And the point t
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1 making. 2 MR. GHIZZONI: So long a
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1 certify the environmental documen
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1 flexibilities so that with this r
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1 process I think this community ow
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1 Lot 11. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Lot 11
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1 let's -- 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: It's
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Yeah, we're bein
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1 MR. BIERIG: And I'm not suggestin
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1 11, in or out? 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER:
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1 MR. BIERIG: 44. But I figure they
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1 for -- I forgot -- what is the la
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1 setback, and I think to go beyond
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1 same location. So the only one th
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1 them in and have more landscaping
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1 want. 2 MR. CARUSO: Okay. All rig
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1 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Which would allo
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1 potential policy in the community
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1 the Watershed Protection Policy.
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1 from those residents who foresee
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1 one left. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: I've
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1 electricity. 2 MR. PHILLIPS: No o
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1 to make one, I would say we ought
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1 of the hotel is causing undue imp
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1 a year from now or two years from
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1 MR. BIERIG: Maybe the direction i
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1 "Okay. There's nobody that's conn
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1 MR. BIERIG: I think we're almost
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1 didn't ask the question, I'll jus
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: I think we have suc
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1 importance, then you're signally
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1 staff to do -- bring us any infor
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1 straw vote. 2 MS. GOTTSDANKER: Co
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1 what you proposed? If you can rem
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1 what I just told you, and that is
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1 They can operate within the frame
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1 MR. BIERIG: No. Okay. I don't kno
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1 expect this result. So I'm probab
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1 this property than we do. And a p
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1 and whether those are appropriate
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1 MS. BURROWS: Mr. Caruso, I want t
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1 MS. BLACK: Mr. Chair and 2 Commis
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1 route in terms of litigation. 2 M
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1 MR. BIERIG: No, I expect you to c
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