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david irving Secretly Overheard:
in Speer’s ministry and in the Air Ministry who gave it out officially.’
HEISENBERG: I had a special man who sent me amazing information
from Switzerland. That was some special office. Of course, I
have burnt all the correspondence and I have forgotten his name. . .
For instance he once reported that the Americans had just built a new
heavy water plant [•• at Trail? ] and that sort of thing.
On August 5 Gerlach and Heisenberg discussed whether the
Gestapo had planted agents among them, and the odd case of Professor
Bothe (whose faulty calculations on the atomic Bremslänge
of graphite had – though they still did not know it – derailed their
whole project.) Gerlach suspected that a Dr. Grünzig, a Patentmann
who had once been a HJ-Führer and who had been foisted on to
them at Hechingen in the summer of 1944, might have been an S.S.
spy: “I mistrusted him,” said Gerlach, “and didn’t let him see anything
and we got rid of him with a lot of difficulty.”
He turned to Heisenberg. “We discussed it with you at the time
and warned you.” The microphones registered a pause, before Gerlach
spoke again: “Then Diebner told me he was always suspicious
that someone from the British Secret Service had been with Bothe,
a certain Dr. Gehlen.”
“Yes, I knew Gehlen,” said Heisenberg. “I must say I can understand
your suspicion of Gehlen. I knew Gehlen at Leipzig, he
worked with [ ] Döpel, and I couldn’t quite make him out. . . His
wife was Swedish and I know he had contacts abroad.”
“He had been with the English Bank before,” commented Gerlach.
“What I didn’t like about the man was the fact that he had had
such a varied career, continued Heisenberg. “I often discussed the
matter with Döpel and we agreed that Gehlen should at any rate be
told nothing about the Uranium business. Later he went to Bothe.
We could not make him out and I believe I spoke to Bothe about
it and told him I was not sure of him. . . There was some business
about his having been denounced to the Gestapo in Leipzig. He
was supposed to have had contacts abroad and the matter was inves-
Sam Goudsmit (1902–1978).
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