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Who Needs Emotions? The Brain Meets the Robot

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“edison” and “russell” 7<br />

Inspired by what was learned with fear in rats, a roboticist would say<br />

“OK! My walking robot has analogous problems: encountering a predator—for<br />

a mobile robot, a car or truck in <strong>the</strong> street—and reacting to a<br />

low battery state, which signals <strong>the</strong> robot to prepare itself for functioning<br />

in a different mode, where energy needs to be saved.” Those two robot<br />

behaviors are very similar to <strong>the</strong> rat behaviors in <strong>the</strong> operational sense<br />

that <strong>the</strong>y serve <strong>the</strong> same kind of purpose. I think we might just as well<br />

call <strong>the</strong>m “fear” and “pain.” I would argue that it does not matter what I<br />

call <strong>the</strong>m—<strong>the</strong> roboticist can still be inspired by <strong>the</strong>ir neural implementations<br />

and design <strong>the</strong> robotic system accordingly.<br />

“Hmm, <strong>the</strong> amygdala is common to both behaviors and receives<br />

input from <strong>the</strong> hypothalamus (pain) and <strong>the</strong> LGN (perception). How<br />

<strong>the</strong>se inputs are combined in <strong>the</strong> amygdala is unknown to neuroscientists,<br />

but maybe I should link <strong>the</strong> perceptual system of my robot and <strong>the</strong><br />

energy monitor system. I’ll make a subsystem that modulates perception<br />

on <strong>the</strong> basis of <strong>the</strong> amount of energy available: <strong>the</strong> more energy, <strong>the</strong><br />

more objects perceptually analyzed; <strong>the</strong> less energy, only <strong>the</strong> most salient<br />

(with respect to <strong>the</strong> goal at hand) objects are analyzed.”<br />

<strong>The</strong> neuroscientist would reply: “That’s interesting! I wonder if <strong>the</strong><br />

amygdala computes something like salience. In particular, <strong>the</strong> hypothalamic<br />

inputs to <strong>the</strong> amygdala might modulate <strong>the</strong> speed of processing<br />

of <strong>the</strong> LGN inputs. Let’s design an experiment.” And <strong>the</strong> loop is<br />

closed!<br />

RUSSELL: I agree with you that that interaction is very much worthwhile,<br />

but only if part of <strong>the</strong> effort is to understand what <strong>the</strong> extra circuitry<br />

adds. In particular, I note that you are still at <strong>the</strong> level of “emotions<br />

without feelings,” which I would ra<strong>the</strong>r call “motivation” or “drive.” At<br />

this level, we can ask whe<strong>the</strong>r <strong>the</strong> roboticist learns to make avoidance<br />

behavior more effective by studying animals. And it is interesting to ask<br />

if <strong>the</strong> roboticist’s efforts will reveal <strong>the</strong> neural architecture as in some<br />

sense essential to all successful avoidance systems or as a biologically<br />

historical accident when one abstracts <strong>the</strong> core functionality away from<br />

<strong>the</strong> neuroanatomy, an abstraction that would be an important contribution.<br />

But does this increment take us closer to understanding human<br />

emotions as we subjectively know <strong>the</strong>m or not?<br />

EDISON: I certainly agree with that, and I do think it does! One final point:<br />

aren’t <strong>the</strong> issues we are addressing—can a robot have emotion, does a<br />

robot need emotion, and so on—really <strong>the</strong> same issues as with animals and<br />

emotions—can an animal have emotion, does an animal need emotion?<br />

RUSSELL: It will be intriguing to see how far researchers will go in answering<br />

all <strong>the</strong>se questions and exploring <strong>the</strong> analogies between <strong>the</strong>m.<br />

Stimulated by this conversation, Edison and Russell returned to <strong>the</strong><br />

poster sessions, after first promising to meet again, at a robotics conference.

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