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DB: Is this a Church <strong>of</strong> England or Church <strong>of</strong> Scotland<br />

AR: It’s a Baptist Church<br />

DB: Oh really (quizzical)<br />

AR: Yes a Pastor, so which places itself very much pretty much as a denomination<br />

within an Evangelical tradition so it’s something about the conformity but I did write a<br />

book about 9 years ago called Evangelicals in Exile talking about wrestling with<br />

theology and the unconscious which was partly autobiographical but looking at events<br />

I had been through and wanting to look at them, understand them from a theological<br />

perspective but then also wanting to understand them from a psychological<br />

perspective and finding correspondence and language between the two<br />

DB: Now that sounds extremely interesting<br />

AR: That’s the source <strong>of</strong> I mean that’s my background in trying to find a commonality<br />

<strong>of</strong> language in communication for which things are ultimately very pr<strong>of</strong>ound, uh<br />

(pause) so pr<strong>of</strong>ound it’s difficult to put words to it but that doesn’t you can’t then use<br />

that as an excuse for not doing the thinking or reasoning or making the connections. it<br />

feels to me with that chapter you really wrestled hard to make these connections<br />

between psychoanalysis and neuroscience and religious traditions. I think I guess one<br />

<strong>of</strong> the reasons why there are not very many analysts that do write about religion and<br />

spirituality is because to do it properly you actually need to have done a great deal <strong>of</strong><br />

reading and thinking you know you do actually need both a knowledge <strong>of</strong> your<br />

analytical tradition and <strong>of</strong> a theological or other spiritual tradition and <strong>of</strong> a good<br />

working knowledge <strong>of</strong> philosophy and in your case too an addition <strong>of</strong> science as well.<br />

It’s actually there are not that many people David that actually have that combination<br />

<strong>of</strong> interests I’m discovering and because we just let some other people think these<br />

things well actually you discover there are lots <strong>of</strong> people that don’t<br />

DB: Yes, yes<br />

AR: They just want to inhabit the middle ground they don’t want to make any<br />

connections with any other tradition or discipline. Finally David do you know <strong>of</strong> any<br />

other people I could or should be talking too in terms <strong>of</strong> interviews like this or<br />

discussing this further?<br />

DB: In Britain?<br />

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