A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but you wish the reward to be guaranteed. The idea isimportant for yourself and of itself it is sufficiently interesting withoutany question of reward. I wonder you do not speak more of this ideaof separation for there must be many sides which are not clear. Thereare many things involved and connected with this, and many methodshow to do this.MRS. K. I feel that it would be very difficult to speak to my new people. . . .MR. O. Leave them alone, we do not speak about them.MR. W. The first subject you mentioned about the way we speak ofpeople, the work and yourself, there was nothing about principles andrules in speaking of new people. Did you mean. . . .MR. O. Speaking of new people—just the same thing; it means self­remembering—principles, rules, everything.MRS. E. What is the test that this rule is being observed? When this isobligatory, how is one to know. .. .MR. O. I will know. I have just told you several results and how I shallsee whether this is kept.MR. W. Are group meetings here sufficient to give this material?MR. O. Meeting people was never prohibited. People can meet whenthey like.MR. W. It seems that more is necessary. [Long pause.]MR. H. If I can remember myself when these three subjects come up, itwould be the greatest possible help.. ..MR. O. What do you wish to ask me?MR. H. I am not asking a question.MR. O. Try to keep to questions.MRS. N. How can one know when one refrains from breaking a rulethrough fear of being reported or whether it is 'I'. . . .MR. O. I cannot hear. Repeat what you said.MRS. N. To refrain from breaking a rule for fear of being reported.MR. O. I do not get your second word. What was it?MRS. N. [hesitating] I do not know.[Miss D. repeats 'refraining from fear of being reported'.]MR. O. I did not speak of 'refraining'.[Mrs. N. again tries to formulate question.]MR. O. This is an old story—this fear of being reported—and is allnonsense. If it is necessary to speak, it is another thing. It all comes to