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yourself to be identified, practically it is just the same, only in apleasant thing you can be interested without being identified, in anunpleasant thing you cannot be interested without being identifiedMISS S I want to ask about desire to get on in the system With meit seems too much I always want to do and I can't, and it makes meirritatedMR O Well, try not to want to do too much What else can I say? Trynot to want to do more than you canMISS T I always seem to have more energy when I get up in themorningMR O You are not an exception, I think all people haveMISS T Also I have least in the afternoon Do we always start a newoctave in the afternoon?MR O No, you cannot speak about an octave just like that, because youlike to think there is an octave There must be some material for thatMR C Did you say in the study of personalities one should concentrateonly on the personality that was magnetic centre?MR O No If you already started and know some other personalitiesthen go on I said, in the very beginning Although, again, you canknow other personalities before you know what is magnetic centre orwhat is connected with magnetic centre So start from what you knowMR M What is the relationship between man and organic life?MR O No relation Man is part of organic life Organic life includesall living things on earthMR M I thought in the chain of cosmoses organic life was aboveman?MR O No, it is all the same, not above It is simply bigger in relationto individual man, not humanity Mankind is part of organic life, butindividual man is a lower cosmos, the same as individual dog would beMR M Is that the reason why there is not a possibility for a greatmany people to escape?MR O Partly that, but I think there are simpler reasons, easier to understandMISS F I believe quite a lot of very vivid memories are about thingswhere I have made an exhibition of myself, and it seems that if I haddone this, I must be consideringMR O Yes, maybe, but maybe it is not considering, but just right
thinking. Considering is a useless kind of emotion, you know. Itdoesn't bring any useful result.MISS F. But if you feel foolish, it must be considering.MR. O. No, it isn't considering, it is just, you feel foolish Why shouldit be considering?MR. M. Can we learn anything useful from the study of what you callhalf-dream states?MR. O. I don't think so. It was a long time before I discovered that,and then I found that they cannot be useful.MISS W. Are some of the things that happen to us and that we cannotremember, completely absent from our rolls of memory?MR O. You mean things which happened but which we forgot? Thereare different theories about it. I don't know. Probably, there aredifferent kinds, again, some that can be reconstructed and some thatcannot—like from the ordinary point of view.MISS W. I think I can remember back a very long way, when I wasvery small. Is that quite common?MR. O. Not quite, but it happens. It makes no difference. Some peoplerecollect themselves earlier, some later.MRS. H. Is magic the same sort of action . . .MR. O. What does magic mean?MRS. H. I don't know.MR. O. Well, if you cannot explain it, don't use it. That is one of theprinciples of the work.MRS. H. Will you tell me what you mean by magic?MR. O. No. I didn't say anything. I didn't mention magic. If I did, thenyou have a right to ask, you see. No. That is a wrong start, you know.If you start from the other end, then some time we can speak about it.MRS. S. When one is in a bad state and against the work, should onetry to shock oneself into better effort or just observe?MR. O. Yes, if you can. Why not? Self-remembering is the only onereal shock—but that doesn't refer to five minutes. If you try toremember yourself for a day or two, it will pass probablyMRS. L. Can an imagination be thought of as an incomplete action,lacking one of the forces of the triad?MR. O. Why such a complicated explanation? Such a thing as imaginationwe can study psychologically. We can understand it just turnsround and round and we cannot control it, so very soon we see it is
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A record of some of the meetings he
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meaning, indicated by the smallest
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Thursday. August 20th 1931.MR. O. I
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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MISS M. In reference to what you sa
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I know these ideas cannot be found
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Wednesday. January 16th 1935.Ray of
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they develop one from another. We t
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Wednesday. January 9th 1935. Thursd
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nearest to us is earth. All planets
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Thursday. January 24th 1935.It is a
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impressions above H48 are not a rul
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Thursday. February 28th 1935.MR. O.
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MR. R. May one use this system to u
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mystery about it, I want to give yo
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Q . Are we to only ask people who a
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exception of quite extreme cases, e
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view; at the same time, by studying
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line. This is the beginning of the
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Q . If there is no not-weakness, ho
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sophical schools. But ordinarily a
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think that man can reincarnate. Chr
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MR. R. About laws that we can be fr
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MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live bel
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MR. L. I notice that I am often irr
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take an analogy on a smaller scale.
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MR. O. I don't know. I have the rig
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MR. O. Maybe. We cannot take them a
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give up, there is no will. Another
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it is only influences D. But you ca
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MR. O. Certainly quite different. T
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MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of at
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MRS. W. You spoke of the dangers of
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MR. O. You can work to come into co
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get rid of these unpleasant emotion
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our own weaknesses, and if we know
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MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. C. Does inner octave mean that
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(our ray). We take only the Absolut
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MR. O. I don't know. Many things ca
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Thursday. March 19th 1936.MISS C. I
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MR. L. What is evil? .MR. O. What i
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that he wanted to go to Italy on a
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MR. O. That is not the reason. Even
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not the purely conventional evil, b
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speaking, if you mean instinctive c
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You cannot begin with 'doing'. Even
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Question about triads.MR. O. ... Wi
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***MR. D. A question about art.MR.
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We will represent the Absolute by a
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MR. N. But there are still mechanic
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MR. O. It means the general weakeni
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looks so difficult when it is expla
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eader will never be able to find th
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This shows the beginning of a view
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MRS. A . I understood Mr. O. to say
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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Monday. October 18th 1937.MR. O. Tr
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this, or the same, and also others.
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Thursday. October 28th 1937.[Descri
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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Thursday. January 6th 1938. (Warwic
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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Monday. January 17th 1938.MR. O. In
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this activity, try to see all that
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MR. F. What is the significance oth
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what size is the picture, what is t
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part of emotional centre. How does
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do it. Like if you have to make the
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MR. A . What is the fundamental con
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think they can; they will describe
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work, the answer is best revealed w
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terms It is, however, possible to b
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normal sleep, but you cannot lose m
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one definition. First each must be
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ordinary state, we cannot speak exc
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igger scale, you know. We are not t
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Thursday. February 3rd 1938. (Warwi
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the problem, not change your action
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incomplete development which does n
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not principle. We can distinguish m
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MR O. How can I explain? Many thing
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MR. S. Does self-remembering help o
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Does a destructive action start wit
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MR. O. We may talk about scales lat
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who call themselves Yogis—some ju
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MR. O. Certainly different types co
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MR. O. In the sense of expanding, d
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three notes of a cosmic octave What
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example, an advertisement) or I ove
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only requires initial effort to beg
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MISS B If you sit down and try to t
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MR. O. At the same time, they are d
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MR. O. We do not speak about oursel
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y thought? For example, if I am thi
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of accumulation is very complicated
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Thursday. March 17th 1938. (Warwick
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MR. J. Did Mr. O. say last time tha
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MR. P . Does not power to invent th
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[Questions from Thursday, March 9th
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MR. O. It is too difficult to speak
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late results and eliminate wrong ac
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MR. H. How much is known about the
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MR. R. There are certain religious
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MR. M. But did not you yourself con
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MR. O. Yes. That was from the ordin
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School cannot be mechanical, so it
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MR. O. They eat different worms.MRS
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and the result of outside stimuli,
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een a negative emotion, for how cou
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talking about coming to lectures an
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five-dimensional world, and the que
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instance, its curvature, the three
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will not be good either. There is n
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it is and suppose they were made li
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natural laws from ordinary deductio
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we cannot use conscience, cannot fe
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certain extent, but not sufficientl
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whereas the influence on masses of
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strength. Then after some time agai
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MISS L. Does emotional centre take
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MR. O. It depends on the octave aga
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work will help another. You have oc
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MR. O. In asking a question like th
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incompatible with the one you want
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can never control two or three cent
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MISS R. Is the desire to dress well
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doesn't care for knowledge—in any
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MR. C. Is such an inequality, if pr
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organization. This formulation abou
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was simply your imagination that di
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it meets all sorts of matters, whic
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MR. O. That shows shocks. One produ
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MR. M. Is there a chemical change w
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MR. O. Yes, but one cannot find tru
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Thursday. June 19th 1941. (New York
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MR. N. You can't relate it to the o
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MR. O. Yes, no question about that.
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it doesn't happen all at once. Afte
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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MRS. B. Do you do all three at the
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Friday. July 11th 1941. (New York.)
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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is like another brain and quick—v
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MR. O. There are two forms of wrong
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Tuesday. July 22nd 1941. (New York.
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Wednesday. July 23rd 1941. (New Yor
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MR. O. I merely based it on the exa
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Tuesday. July 29th 1941. (New York.
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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Tuesday. August 5th 1941. (New York
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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MR. O. Maybe, in a small way. But i
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Only when one comes under school in
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Wednesday. August 4th 1943. (New Yo
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MR. H. Is it possible to make a liv
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MRS. T. In the example you describe
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MISS O It has no relation to what o
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MR C Is it possible to stimulate co
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shock is necessary for further refi
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MR. B. It is possible to observe an
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This brings us to influences. Influ
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ings the development of consciousne
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unusual thing happens, you may feel
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think about the possibility of awak
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Wednesday. October 6th 1943. (New Y
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MISS R. But if one could, would it
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MISS H . I never thought of 'consid
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Wednesday. November 17th 1943. (New
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MR. O. When you try to remember you
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and people repeat it without knowin
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certain proficiency in the control
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MR. O. I think everyone can have as
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MR. O. Yes, it controls the necessi
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MR. O. Because we don't know enough
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Memory (From New York Meetings 1944
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friend who came to meet me at the G
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musical impressions one learns musi
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Q. Is there a way of trying to make
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By reincarnation you mean in time
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find one's favourite imagination. C
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But this changes all ideas of recur
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Monday. February 24th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. NO.Q . Why are we here?MR. O
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MR. M. May I explain?MR. O. [to Mis
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Q . I find that the answers are eve
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Wednesday. March 5th 1947. (Colet G
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MR. O. Well, who could say that?MIS
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MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Well, do you un
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MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
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MR. R. By trying and trying, one ca
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MISS C. I do not belong to myself.
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Wednesday. March 12th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. For some people.MRS. U. Is i
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MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MR. O. Maybe, maybe not. I don't se
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MISS I. Are our questions too theor
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MR. O. You must try.MRS. F. How can
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MR. JA. I feel there is one part in
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MR. O. I can only envy this man or
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that I have no questions. I tried t
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MR. O. When you remember? Quite rig
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MISS Q . Yes.MRS. A . I find that a
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MRS R. You say we must bring more m
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