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one thing continues to be important and one always turns in onedirection. But inspiration has nothing to do with it. It is simplyrealization of a moment when you can do something.MRS. R. Mr. O. told us of five states of real sleep and left it to us tofind the corresponding states in waking sleep. Are they these: deepsleep corresponds to the usual state of ordinary man; deep sleep awareof having dreams but unable to remember them corresponds to thestate of man when beginning to be interested in this system; sleep withdreams remembered corresponds to state of man when he has tried towork on himself; light sleep, dreams known in sleep to be dreams,corresponds to man able to recognize his own identifications; lightsleep with dreams controlled corresponds to man able to selfremember.M R. O. You began too high. There are many states below ordinaryman. People who are ill, or too identified, or hypnotized by formatoryideas are more machines than ordinary man. Ordinary man is already avery high state, because from this state it is possible to move. All thesereligious and theosophical teachers are really below normal. Theyhypnotize themselves by words. When people speak of doing, itcorresponds to changing the names of the days of the week. All ourpower is only over words. Change names of the days of the week is themaximum people can do. Normal man is a man who understands thatit is all nonsense. He is on a higher level. Usually people are belownormal: they are lunatics, tramps or sincere scoundrels. Lunatics havemany variations. Only from the level of ordinary man does possibilitybegin.MR. J. By what means can one quicken the change of being?MR. O. By understanding only. The more one understands, the moreone can do and have results from the same effort.MR. J. You said that knowledge is material. Doesn't it mean that itshould be used in a practical way?MR. O. Quite right. But how? If you say it must be understood in apractical way—yes. But act you cannot.MR. J. Most of one's struggle for existence seems to belong toimaginary things. It takes such a lot of one's time that little is left for thestudy of real things. What is one to do?MR. O. One can give the time that remains free. Or one may struggletoo much.
MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of attitude through this work bringabout a certain degree of change of being?MR. O. Change of attitude does not bring about change of being byitself. But valuation is necessary. Nothing can be achieved without it.MRS. H. Is it possible to learn something of essence from memories ofchildhood?MR. O. You can if you have a good memory and can find things thatchange and that don't.MRS. H. How can we learn more about the underlayer of thoughtthat is going on all the time. Does it stop in our moments of selfremembering?MR. O. By observation only. It may stop and it may not.MISS R. I don't understand what consciousness is. It seems to besomething apart from the cosmoses.MR. O. Take it in yourself—you can know degrees in yourself. If youknow that, you know what consciousness is.MISS R. Is man's body from life to death his existence in the cosmos oforganic life?MR. O. Quite right.MISS R. Is it possible for one centre to sleep when another is awake?For instance, can one consciously put moving centre to sleep?MR. O. One must be conscious for that. But it often happens that onecentre is asleep and another awake. For instance, instinctive centre, ormoving, is awake, and intellectual asleep.MISS R. What is the significance of the fact that the rotation of theearth corresponds in time with the breathing of organic life?MR. O. The question is to find the answer.MISS R. Can man ever become conscious on a scale higher than that ofthe sun cosmos? If not how can he ever know all?MR . O. Let him become conscious on his own scale first.MISS R. If a man can be conscious on the scale of a different cosmossurely the matter in him connected with these impressions must existin that cosmos?MR. O. Quite possible. I cannot answer for the situation in other cosmoses.MR. S. I seem able to interrupt day-dreams with increasing frequency.But the interruption is only momentary and others take their place. Isany progress effected by the mere act of interrupting day-dreams?
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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MISS M. In reference to what you sa
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I know these ideas cannot be found
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Wednesday. January 16th 1935.Ray of
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they develop one from another. We t
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Page 85 and 86: MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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On the technical side the formation
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MRS. A . I understood Mr. O. to say
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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Monday. October 18th 1937.MR. O. Tr
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this, or the same, and also others.
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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We can pass differently the time in
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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this activity, try to see all that
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MR. F. What is the significance oth
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what size is the picture, what is t
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part of emotional centre. How does
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do it. Like if you have to make the
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MR. A . What is the fundamental con
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think they can; they will describe
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work, the answer is best revealed w
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terms It is, however, possible to b
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normal sleep, but you cannot lose m
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one definition. First each must be
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We understand differences of object
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MR. A . As soon as a man throws him
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ordinary state, we cannot speak exc
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igger scale, you know. We are not t
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the problem, not change your action
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Killing a man, does that belong to
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incomplete development which does n
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not principle. We can distinguish m
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MR O. How can I explain? Many thing
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MR. S. Does self-remembering help o
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Does a destructive action start wit
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MR. O. We may talk about scales lat
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who call themselves Yogis—some ju
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MR. O. Certainly different types co
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three notes of a cosmic octave What
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example, an advertisement) or I ove
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only requires initial effort to beg
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MISS B If you sit down and try to t
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MR. O. At the same time, they are d
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MR. O. We do not speak about oursel
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y thought? For example, if I am thi
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of accumulation is very complicated
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You must understand that I would li
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MR. J. Did Mr. O. say last time tha
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MR. P . Does not power to invent th
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[Questions from Thursday, March 9th
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MR. O. It is too difficult to speak
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MR O Here again, all I can say is t
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late results and eliminate wrong ac
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Again, if you ask this question in
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MR. O. No, no. I do not know where
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MR. H. How much is known about the
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MR. R. There are certain religious
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MR. M. But did not you yourself con
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MR. O. Yes. That was from the ordin
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School cannot be mechanical, so it
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MR. O. They eat different worms.MRS
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and the result of outside stimuli,
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een a negative emotion, for how cou
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talking about coming to lectures an
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five-dimensional world, and the que
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instance, its curvature, the three
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will not be good either. There is n
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it is and suppose they were made li
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natural laws from ordinary deductio
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we cannot use conscience, cannot fe
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certain extent, but not sufficientl
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whereas the influence on masses of
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strength. Then after some time agai
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MISS L. Does emotional centre take
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MR. O. It depends on the octave aga
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work will help another. You have oc
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MR. O. In asking a question like th
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incompatible with the one you want
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can never control two or three cent
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MISS R. Is the desire to dress well
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doesn't care for knowledge—in any
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MR. C. Is such an inequality, if pr
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Perhaps it is possible to explain w
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organization. This formulation abou
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was simply your imagination that di
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it meets all sorts of matters, whic
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MR. O. That shows shocks. One produ
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MR. O. I don't follow.MISS C. It se
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MR. M. Is there a chemical change w
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MR. O. No, it means simply some con
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MR H I have been arriving at my off
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quite personal; there are not two p
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an action happen, or are the three
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all organic life, then certainly ma
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Accident'. I can see 'cause and eff
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takes place. It is not only actual
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way, you will have to explain to ne
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or wrong or not belonging to it, an
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MR. O. For many reasons. It is diff
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MR. H. What part does the negative
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I am persuaded that there is someth
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MISS M . I ask these questions beca
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MR D . Is there a danger of negativ
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M R . J . What did you mean by 'mec
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personality If one fails it is beca
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only make us more blind, but which,
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ut they bring other people, and tho
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MR. O. Just individually.Q . I mean
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there were certain moments when the
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mean that from the point of view of
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Incomplete record. [?] End of Janua
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thinking. Considering is a useless
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MR. M. Am I right in thinking that
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MR. O. No, there is nothing to worr
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theories. Then only when we come to
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The sun is one of the suns of the M
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all on the same level, but they mus
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understand the situation. You can d
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work, school-work. Certainly it was
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of things by studying questions lik
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same errors, the same states, quite
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these features. They play a certain
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lunacy in ourselves, and the creati
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itself. It also seems that I am mor
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never seem to have enough material
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MR. O. Well, try; if you have somet
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avoid it and you will see exactly t
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proper uses of formatory apparatus
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MR E It is possible, isn't it, to h
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Next time I will try and come at th
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MRS. D. Is that 48 in the brain? [R
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MRS. D. What do you mean by a schoo
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MR. O. Certainly, yes.MRS. C. What
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MR. N. You can't relate it to the o
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MR. O. I don't know. I can speak on
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MR. O. Yes, no question about that.
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it doesn't happen all at once. Afte
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MISS Q . Is the power of mental tel
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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MRS. B. Do you do all three at the
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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MR. F. But didn't you say, sir, tha
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MR. O. Oh, many other things. First
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is like another brain and quick—v
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MR. O. There are two forms of wrong
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Wednesday. July 23rd 1941. (New Yor
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MR. O. I merely based it on the exa
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Tuesday. July 29th 1941. (New York.
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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Tuesday. August 5th 1941. (New York
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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MR. O. Maybe, in a small way. But i
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Only when one comes under school in
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MR. H. Is it possible to make a liv
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MRS. T. In the example you describe
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MISS O It has no relation to what o
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MR C Is it possible to stimulate co
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shock is necessary for further refi
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MR. B. It is possible to observe an
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This brings us to influences. Influ
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ings the development of consciousne
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unusual thing happens, you may feel
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think about the possibility of awak
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Wednesday. October 6th 1943. (New Y
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MISS R. But if one could, would it
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MISS H . I never thought of 'consid
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Wednesday. November 17th 1943. (New
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MR. O. When you try to remember you
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and people repeat it without knowin
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certain proficiency in the control
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MR. O. I think everyone can have as
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MR. O. But what does waste mean? We
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MR. O. Yes, it controls the necessi
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MR. O. Because we don't know enough
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Memory (From New York Meetings 1944
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friend who came to meet me at the G
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musical impressions one learns musi
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Q. Is there a way of trying to make
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By reincarnation you mean in time
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find one's favourite imagination. C
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But this changes all ideas of recur
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MR. O. NO.Q . Why are we here?MR. O
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MR. M. May I explain?MR. O. [to Mis
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Do you mean what we feel that we kn
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Q . I find that the answers are eve
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Wednesday. March 5th 1947. (Colet G
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MR. O. Well, who could say that?MIS
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MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Well, do you un
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MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
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MR. R. By trying and trying, one ca
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MISS C. I do not belong to myself.
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Wednesday. March 12th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. For some people.MRS. U. Is i
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MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MR. O. Maybe, maybe not. I don't se
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MISS I. Are our questions too theor
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MR. O. You must try.MRS. F. How can
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MR. JA. I feel there is one part in
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MR. O. I can only envy this man or
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that I have no questions. I tried t
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view—the personal one—and is it
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MR. O. Well, you have to do somethi
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Wednesday. May 21st 1947. (Colet Ga
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MR. O. When you remember? Quite rig
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MRS. v. This remembering myself you
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MISS Q . Yes.MRS. A . I find that a
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MRS R. You say we must bring more m
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