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three notes of a cosmic octave What are the octaves of which thisla, sol and fa become the do's at the level of hydrogens 6, 96 and1536?MR O That is not necessary at present Just remember how it wasgiven That is quite sufficientMR B Do games fall into the same category of activities as burning ahouse?MR O Not necessarilyMR S As a result of studying the Cosmos Table, I first of all noticethat the time relation of one cosmos to the next is the same as fromone centre to the next in man, ie 30, 000Next I notice that three seconds is the only time which we are awareof properly and over which we have any degree of control So it seemsthat the breath of any particular cosmos is the indication of the timewith which that cosmos works If this is so, could there be anymaterial in the following connectionsMan and intellectual centreCell and instinctive centreGene and emotional centreMR O That end part is invention Up to this point it is rightMR L Is objective art a means whereby C influences can be receivedby those able to receive them?MR O Better not connect them C influences can be received onlythrough schoolMR L Is it the only means outside a school? And must one have comeunder the influence of a school before one is able to receive Cinfluences from objective art?MR O That I answeredMR L Can one receive B influences from certain art in the world, suchas the paintings of Picasso or the music of Bach?MR O It depends how clever you areMR L Concerning the question what it means to be serious, is oneserious about a thing when it is always with the same group of 'I'suppermost that one feels or thinks of it? If it is the system about whichone is serious, is this a step in the direction of permanent aim, sinceone group of 'I's has got permanent aim attached to it?
MR. O. No, that is wrong. There are two things between [which] youmust learn to distinguish in your thinking. To be serious and to takethings seriously. When you understand this difference, then it will beclear to you.MR. L. It has been said that it is necessary to sacrifice suffering. Whatis to sacrifice? Is it giving up something near at hand with theintention of obtaining something higher and more important? Doesthe meaning include the killing or the burning of an offering?MR. O. No. Find right examples, several examples that people do notwant to sacrifice their suffering. If you cannot, wait.MRS. L. I have been trying to write the Ray of Creation and Octaves ofRadiation round the enneagram . . .MR. O. You cannot do that because it is not their place.MRS. L. ... Is it correct in the Ray of Creation to put the Absolute(do) at point 9 of the enneagram; all worlds, si, at 8; all suns, la, at 7;our sun, sol. at 5; planets, fa, at 4; 3 being organic life and providingthe shock; earth, mi. at 2; and moon, re, at 1?Then, fitting in the Octaves of Radiation: the first octave, Absolute sun, would go from point 9 to point 5 and the fa-mi interval would getits shock from point 6; the octave from sun-earth would be from point5 to 2; point 3, organic life, providing the fa-mi shock; and the octavefrom earth to moon would be from points 2 to 1. Point 3 would alsobe the la, sol, fa of organic life in the octave of our ray of existence.Are these right?It seems that the moon must go beyond point 1 in order that thatshould provide the fa-mi shock in the radiation octave earth-moon.Would this shock be Man, as I think it is at point 1 that man wouldcome in writing the cosmological octave?It seems also that an octave proceeding in triads of 213, 321 or 231would be ascending and octaves proceeding in triads of 123, 312 and132 would be descending. Is this so?MR. O. Leave triads now. It is too theoretical for the moment.MRS. L. In the Food Table, the octaves ascend in triads of 213 sequence.Would this have to alter to triads of 321 sequence if the impressionsoctave is to continue? Would this make the first triad of the impressionsoctave neutralizing do 48, passive mi 96, active re 24? Is the ratio ofdensities of forces always the same?MR. L. I have observed that when my eye is caught by something (for
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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they develop one from another. We t
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nearest to us is earth. All planets
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impressions above H48 are not a rul
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MR. R. May one use this system to u
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mystery about it, I want to give yo
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exception of quite extreme cases, e
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view; at the same time, by studying
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line. This is the beginning of the
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sophical schools. But ordinarily a
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think that man can reincarnate. Chr
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MR. R. About laws that we can be fr
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MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live bel
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MR. L. I notice that I am often irr
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take an analogy on a smaller scale.
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MR. O. I don't know. I have the rig
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MR. O. Maybe. We cannot take them a
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give up, there is no will. Another
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it is only influences D. But you ca
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MR. O. Certainly quite different. T
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MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of at
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MRS. W. You spoke of the dangers of
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MR. O. You can work to come into co
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get rid of these unpleasant emotion
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our own weaknesses, and if we know
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MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. C. Does inner octave mean that
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(our ray). We take only the Absolut
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MR. O. I don't know. Many things ca
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MR. L. What is evil? .MR. O. What i
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that he wanted to go to Italy on a
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MR. O. That is not the reason. Even
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not the purely conventional evil, b
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speaking, if you mean instinctive c
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Question about triads.MR. O. ... Wi
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***MR. D. A question about art.MR.
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We will represent the Absolute by a
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MR. N. But there are still mechanic
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MR. O. It means the general weakeni
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looks so difficult when it is expla
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eader will never be able to find th
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This shows the beginning of a view
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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this, or the same, and also others.
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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this activity, try to see all that
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part of emotional centre. How does
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een a negative emotion, for how cou
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talking about coming to lectures an
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five-dimensional world, and the que
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will not be good either. There is n
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it is and suppose they were made li
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natural laws from ordinary deductio
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whereas the influence on masses of
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strength. Then after some time agai
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MISS L. Does emotional centre take
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work will help another. You have oc
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incompatible with the one you want
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can never control two or three cent
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MISS R. Is the desire to dress well
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doesn't care for knowledge—in any
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organization. This formulation abou
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was simply your imagination that di
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quite personal; there are not two p
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an action happen, or are the three
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all organic life, then certainly ma
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way, you will have to explain to ne
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or wrong or not belonging to it, an
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MR. H. What part does the negative
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personality If one fails it is beca
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only make us more blind, but which,
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ut they bring other people, and tho
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there were certain moments when the
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mean that from the point of view of
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Incomplete record. [?] End of Janua
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thinking. Considering is a useless
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theories. Then only when we come to
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all on the same level, but they mus
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understand the situation. You can d
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work, school-work. Certainly it was
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of things by studying questions lik
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same errors, the same states, quite
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these features. They play a certain
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lunacy in ourselves, and the creati
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itself. It also seems that I am mor
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never seem to have enough material
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MR. O. Well, try; if you have somet
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avoid it and you will see exactly t
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proper uses of formatory apparatus
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Next time I will try and come at th
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MRS. D. Is that 48 in the brain? [R
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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is like another brain and quick—v
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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Only when one comes under school in
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MR. H. Is it possible to make a liv
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MR C Is it possible to stimulate co
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shock is necessary for further refi
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MR. B. It is possible to observe an
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This brings us to influences. Influ
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ings the development of consciousne
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MISS R. But if one could, would it
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and people repeat it without knowin
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certain proficiency in the control
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friend who came to meet me at the G
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musical impressions one learns musi
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MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Well, do you un
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MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
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MISS C. I do not belong to myself.
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MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MISS I. Are our questions too theor
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that I have no questions. I tried t
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