A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

I know these ideas cannot be found in books. Ideas are proofs inthemselves, not words. [Long pause.]Well?MRS. H. Earlier in the evening you said that we must rememberourselves in speaking of the work and the people....MR. O. And to me.MRS. H. And you said that this was the most important point but therewould be many other things.MR. O. Well?MRS. H. What are the other things? [Laughter.]MR. O. I have said many other things.MISS H . What can help to increase the desire to divide oneself? Can onedo anything by oneself or must it be done with the help of others?[Short pause.]MR. O. There are three questions here. Very often such questions areasked and, when I say what should be done, people immediately beginto argue, and not only argue but become negative, ([to Miss H.] Thisdoes not refer specially to you. I speak generally.) This is really whyhelp cannot be given, and why, after so many years, I have to put it asa rule, as a definite demand; otherwise, if it were just to show peoplewhat to do, it would be simple and we should have come to things in amuch simpler way. It is not always easy to explain chief feature.Sometimes it is seen clearly, but sometimes it is more hidden anddifficult to see, and then one has only to think generally of falsepersonality. But there was not a single case where I showed chieffeature when people did not start violent arguing. [Short pause.]This question of Miss H.'s is asked very often, but it is impossible toanswer, because it immediately creates wrong atmosphere.MRS. S. Then this rule about remembering oneself in speaking of thework, to people and to you includes also reporting?MR. O. Certainly.MRS. S. That is a kind of talking?MR. O. Certainly. [Pause.]What is the difference between reports and not reports? I do notunderstand. It is the same thing.MRS. S. I wanted to know if you included it in 'talking', in speaking ofthe work, etc.—if one must remember oneself.MR. O. It means one must start with this. It is desirable to remember