A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live below normal. Does it mean that 1, 2,3 man should be No. 4?MR. O. Man should be No. 5, not 4, No. 5 is nearer to normality than1, 2, 3. No. 4 means school. No. 5 is a certain crystallization already. Idon't mean full No. 5, but beginning of No. 5 is normal. But in ourconditions we can only come to it through being first No. 4. No. 4 isnecessity for us. Without being No. 4 we cannot be No. 6. If we werenormal we would be No. 5, and afterwards we would have to be No. 4in order to become No. 6. But if we were normal we could be No. 5without school.MR. H. The characteristics of No. 4 are chiefly desire to awake?MR. B. If all people are born with the possibility of awakening, is therenothing in later life that would kill that possibility? No matter whatconditions one lives in, how long have you still this possibility?MR. O. Some people have this possibility, some not. In some people itdies, they walk and talk—mostly talk—dead.Try to prepare more questions during the week.