A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MR. C. What do you mean by organic life? Has it not been going onfor longer than two and a quarter million years?MR. O. How do you know? And who knows? It is only guesses whatscience says.MR. L. You say that cosmoses die. If a thing has once existed, can itcease to be?MR. O. Men also live and die.MR. L. But there is another level of existence?MR. O. How do you know? We can take only what we can prove andsee.MR. L. But there is a physical law that matter is indestructible.MR. O. Man is not matter. You cannot judge a picture by the material.MR. L. Can material be destroyed?MR. O. I speak about man. Material is like a river, always running. Butif a man dies, something disappears. Instead of philosophizing acceptthe simple fact and go further. Our possible development goes fromknown to known, not from unknown to unknown.MR. C. Is it more possible for us to see the cosmos above than thecosmos below?MR. O. No, we can see much below too.MR. H. How is it that the ray ends in moon and here it ends in man?MR. O. We start here with man. We are interested in man. Man is takenas a cosmos. He is a cosmos in the sense that he lives in all cosmiclaws. Moon here enters into mesocosmos.MRS. A . I want to understand about intelligence of cosmoses. Wheredoes it come from?MR. O. Where does ours come from? You are a cosmos.MRS. A . I don't know where it comes from. But it is so limited.MR. O. Everything is limited.Cosmoses are from a certain point of view analogous, that is, it ispossible to take them as analogous. They have the same function, theyare three-dimensional for themselves, they are alive, etc. In the Ray ofCreation we take things from an absolutely different standpoint, westudy them differently. We cannot see all on one scale, from one pointof view. These diagrams open our eyes very considerably, but we mustnot ask too much of them.MRS. A . Man's intelligence is faulty. Is the intelligence of the cosmosesabove also faulty?