A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MR. O. Maybe, maybe not. I don't see the reason for that.Q . How is it possible to learn what is reality and what is illusion?MR. O. If I knew I would tell you. I assure you I don't know.MR. J . I seek a knowledge beyond the ordinary. . . .MR. O. What means beyond the ordinary?MR. J. Beyond what I can feel with my ordinary mind, my logicalmind.MR. O. Why not to keep your ordinary mind?MISS J. Is logical thinking valuable?MR. O. I don't understand question. [Miss Q. repeats.] I said I don'tknow. It doesn't show anything. I am sorry to disappoint you, but Idon't know, so. ...MR. D. What did you mean when you said you do not believe in change?MR, O. That's all: I don't believe in change. One man is one andanother man is another; I don't see it.MRS. Z. Do you mean we cannot change ourselves into anythingdifferent?MR. O. I don't know all worlds we live in, so how can I say? [Orperhaps it was, 'I don't know all worlds, all lives, so how can I say?']MR. B. When I try to think of what I want, the only aim which reallymeans something to me is an aim which I can understand. If I say Iwant to overcome certain weaknesses which I know, that is a real aimfor me.MR. O. I don't know. That means I don't understand.MR. CO. People do change.MR. O. Very lucky people.MR. CO. So why shouldn't we?MR. Z. The only permanent thing I know is something which makesme come here, to meetings. Is this a real thing?MR. O. For you it is real, but for me it is not real. I cannot follow. Icannot understand. But we may come to understanding.MR. L. How can one prove it, that it is real?MR. O. It is impossible.MR. NA. A long time ago you said that there were four possible waysto develop and that there was a fourth way in life. Is this still possible?MR. O. When I said that?MR. NA. Many years ago. Before the war.MR. O. Oh, it was long ago. We went very far since that time.