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MISS B If you sit down and try to think about it you can't get it, butsometimes it happens Has it something to do with memory?MR O NoMISS B Can there be degrees of the activity of painting a picture?MR O Yes, certainly, there are many degrees, from bad pictures togood picturesMISS M Is scientific research the same activity as building a house,because it is bringing order out of chaos?MR O No, it is not the sameMR S Can one see the forces in a triad like scientific research inconnection with the ideas of the system first force, the person doingthe research, second force, the subject of the research and third force,the system, because the idea is connected with the system?MR O No, no, that is too complicated, unnecessarily complicatedMR H Are activities octaves, because they take time? Or points inoctaves?MR M All my activities seem to be mixtures, one part like building ahouse and the other burning a house and so on Is this possible?MR O You must try to find pure standards Then we will talkMR H Are all activities which end in second force bad?MR O What does bad mean? You see? You cannot answer, soyour question means nothingMISS B Is the reason why we can't think about activities that weshould feel them by an emotional process?MR O I do not know There is no evidenceMR B Could a thing like reading the newspaper be two quite differentactivities? It nearly always leaves me in a lower state than when Istarted, but we have been told that there is a right way of reading thenewspaper Is it two different triads working?MR O You can read differently So you cannot take reading, when itis only the standard of somethingMR S Do we ever use the emotional parts of centres? Attention thatgoes by interest is said to belong to these, but if I read a detectivenovel, it keeps my attention, but it is a very flat interest which I can'tfeel is really emotionalMR O This is only observationMRS S Can you connect work of various centres with activities? Forinstance, work of art must be work of higher centres?
MR. O. No, not higher. You cannot work with higher centres, you see.But it means as many centres as possible working together. As many asyou can collect.MRS. S. Does building a house correspond to routine work in whichwe don't invent?MR. O. That is a question to be answered by observation. But returning tothe previous question, about centres. Magic is another triad. If it is reallyintentional, magic means at least a little of higher centres. Without, it willbe only accidental, as I said. Then there are things like scientific work, forinstance, or ordinary life work, that can be done with only one centre.MR. M. Is the principal feature of criminal activity careful planning?MR. O. I do not know. That is not the way to come to it.MRS. S. Is it right to say that no chance comes in at all in the activityof work of art?MR. O. It is difficult to say what you mean by 'chance'. If you can giveme some reasons for what you mean to say, then perhaps it will bepossible to answer.MR. H. What is the real use of formatory centre?MR. O. Registering, recording.MISS L. Are all activities starting with first force destructive?MR. O. No.MR. B. Can one think of the life of a person as an octave?MR. O. Yes, but you cannot find the right scale. It is too difficult.MR. D. Can it be explained how it is that the higher the hydrogen, thequicker the centres work, and yet the bigger the cosmos the slower thetime of its mental impression?MR, O. That is one of the questions that lack perspective. Slower orquicker, it is only from our point of view. In itself it is the same.MR. L. Is it correct to say that if intellectual centre did not interfere theintellectual part of moving centre would work?MR. O. No, this is not sufficient. Other things are necessary.MR. L. Is the idea of centres given us as a framework?MR. O. How do you mean?MR. L. The idea that came to me was that centres are not watertightcompartments. . . .MR. O. They are not, but they should be.MR. L. It seemed to me that centres might occupy the whole of us atthe same time?
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A record of some of the meetings he
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Thursday. August 20th 1931.MR. O. I
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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MISS M. In reference to what you sa
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I know these ideas cannot be found
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Wednesday. January 16th 1935.Ray of
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they develop one from another. We t
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Wednesday. January 9th 1935. Thursd
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nearest to us is earth. All planets
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Thursday. January 24th 1935.It is a
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impressions above H48 are not a rul
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Thursday. February 28th 1935.MR. O.
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MR. R. May one use this system to u
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mystery about it, I want to give yo
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Q . Are we to only ask people who a
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exception of quite extreme cases, e
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view; at the same time, by studying
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line. This is the beginning of the
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Q . If there is no not-weakness, ho
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sophical schools. But ordinarily a
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think that man can reincarnate. Chr
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MR. R. About laws that we can be fr
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MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live bel
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MR. L. I notice that I am often irr
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take an analogy on a smaller scale.
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MR. O. I don't know. I have the rig
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MR. O. Maybe. We cannot take them a
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give up, there is no will. Another
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it is only influences D. But you ca
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MR. O. Certainly quite different. T
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MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of at
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MRS. W. You spoke of the dangers of
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MR. O. You can work to come into co
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get rid of these unpleasant emotion
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our own weaknesses, and if we know
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MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. C. Does inner octave mean that
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(our ray). We take only the Absolut
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MR. O. I don't know. Many things ca
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Thursday. March 19th 1936.MISS C. I
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MR. L. What is evil? .MR. O. What i
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that he wanted to go to Italy on a
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MR. O. That is not the reason. Even
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not the purely conventional evil, b
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speaking, if you mean instinctive c
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You cannot begin with 'doing'. Even
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Question about triads.MR. O. ... Wi
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***MR. D. A question about art.MR.
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We will represent the Absolute by a
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MR. N. But there are still mechanic
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MR. O. It means the general weakeni
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looks so difficult when it is expla
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eader will never be able to find th
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This shows the beginning of a view
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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On the technical side the formation
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MRS. A . I understood Mr. O. to say
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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Monday. October 18th 1937.MR. O. Tr
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this, or the same, and also others.
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Thursday. October 28th 1937.[Descri
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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Thursday. January 6th 1938. (Warwic
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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Monday. January 17th 1938.MR. O. In
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MR. F. What is the significance oth
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what size is the picture, what is t
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part of emotional centre. How does
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do it. Like if you have to make the
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MR. A . What is the fundamental con
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think they can; they will describe
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instance, its curvature, the three
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will not be good either. There is n
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it is and suppose they were made li
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natural laws from ordinary deductio
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we cannot use conscience, cannot fe
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certain extent, but not sufficientl
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whereas the influence on masses of
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strength. Then after some time agai
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MISS L. Does emotional centre take
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MR. O. It depends on the octave aga
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work will help another. You have oc
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MR. O. In asking a question like th
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incompatible with the one you want
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can never control two or three cent
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MISS R. Is the desire to dress well
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doesn't care for knowledge—in any
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MR. C. Is such an inequality, if pr
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organization. This formulation abou
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was simply your imagination that di
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it meets all sorts of matters, whic
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MR. O. That shows shocks. One produ
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MR. O. I will say when we come to t
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MR. M. Is there a chemical change w
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MR. O. No, it means simply some con
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quite personal; there are not two p
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an action happen, or are the three
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all organic life, then certainly ma
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Accident'. I can see 'cause and eff
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takes place. It is not only actual
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way, you will have to explain to ne
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or wrong or not belonging to it, an
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MR. O. For many reasons. It is diff
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MR. H. What part does the negative
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I am persuaded that there is someth
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MISS M . I ask these questions beca
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MR D . Is there a danger of negativ
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personality If one fails it is beca
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only make us more blind, but which,
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ut they bring other people, and tho
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MR. O. Just individually.Q . I mean
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there were certain moments when the
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mean that from the point of view of
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Incomplete record. [?] End of Janua
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thinking. Considering is a useless
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MR. M. Am I right in thinking that
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MR. O. No, there is nothing to worr
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theories. Then only when we come to
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all on the same level, but they mus
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Sunday. October 15th 1939. (Lyne.)M
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understand the situation. You can d
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work, school-work. Certainly it was
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of things by studying questions lik
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same errors, the same states, quite
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these features. They play a certain
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lunacy in ourselves, and the creati
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itself. It also seems that I am mor
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never seem to have enough material
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MR. O. Well, try; if you have somet
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avoid it and you will see exactly t
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proper uses of formatory apparatus
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Next time I will try and come at th
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MRS. D. Is that 48 in the brain? [R
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MRS. D. What do you mean by a schoo
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MR. N. You can't relate it to the o
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Tuesday. June 24th 1941. (New York.
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MR. O. Yes, no question about that.
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it doesn't happen all at once. Afte
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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MRS. B. Do you do all three at the
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Friday. July 11th 1941. (New York.)
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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is like another brain and quick—v
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MR. O. There are two forms of wrong
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MR. O. I merely based it on the exa
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Tuesday. July 29th 1941. (New York.
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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Tuesday. August 5th 1941. (New York
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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MR. O. Maybe, in a small way. But i
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Only when one comes under school in
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MR. H. Is it possible to make a liv
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MRS. T. In the example you describe
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MISS O It has no relation to what o
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MR C Is it possible to stimulate co
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shock is necessary for further refi
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MR. B. It is possible to observe an
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This brings us to influences. Influ
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ings the development of consciousne
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unusual thing happens, you may feel
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think about the possibility of awak
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Wednesday. October 6th 1943. (New Y
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MISS R. But if one could, would it
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MISS H . I never thought of 'consid
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Wednesday. November 17th 1943. (New
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MR. O. When you try to remember you
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and people repeat it without knowin
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certain proficiency in the control
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MR. O. I think everyone can have as
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MR. O. But what does waste mean? We
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MR. O. Yes, it controls the necessi
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MR. O. Because we don't know enough
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Memory (From New York Meetings 1944
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friend who came to meet me at the G
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musical impressions one learns musi
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Q. Is there a way of trying to make
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By reincarnation you mean in time
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find one's favourite imagination. C
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But this changes all ideas of recur
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Monday. February 24th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. NO.Q . Why are we here?MR. O
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MR. M. May I explain?MR. O. [to Mis
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Wednesday. March 5th 1947. (Colet G
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MR. O. Well, who could say that?MIS
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MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Well, do you un
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MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
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MR. R. By trying and trying, one ca
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MISS C. I do not belong to myself.
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Wednesday. March 12th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. For some people.MRS. U. Is i
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MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MR. O. Maybe, maybe not. I don't se
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MISS I. Are our questions too theor
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MR. O. You must try.MRS. F. How can
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MR. JA. I feel there is one part in
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MR. O. I can only envy this man or
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that I have no questions. I tried t
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view—the personal one—and is it
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MR. O. Well, you have to do somethi
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Wednesday. May 21st 1947. (Colet Ga
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MR. O. When you remember? Quite rig
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MRS. v. This remembering myself you
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MISS Q . Yes.MRS. A . I find that a
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MRS R. You say we must bring more m
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