A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MR. T . Some of the 'I's want to develop. How can they be stimulatedat the expense of the 'I's which do not? [Miss Q. repeats question.]MR. O. [to Miss Q.] You say one thing, and he says another. Please repeat.[Miss Q. repeats.] What does it mean? Do you understand it or not? [MissQ. does not answer.] Do you, I ask you, understand it or not? [Still noanswer] Well, you also don't understand. I don't understand if you don't.MR. T . Can one encourage the desire to change?MR. O. Why change? First, idea of change. Why necessary to change?MR. R. I see many things in myself which do not work properly, andvery few things which do.MR. O. Well, why not be satisfied with what you have?MR. R. When life seems like a vicious circle of things which go onrepeating themselves in spite of all efforts, is it not natural that oneshould want to change?MR. O. Well, you must first of all decide yourself what you want tochange or not to change, and can we change or not.MR. R. I cannot. I have tried too long.MR. O. Well if you can't, you can't. But you don't want.MR. Z. I want to feel really the confused state in which I exist, so that Ican make greater efforts to get out of it.MR. O. I don't know. Who spoke, and who, or what? Well?MR. L. When I look back at my life I find that nearly everythinghappens to me without any doing of my own. Isn't it a possibility thatI can do a bit more myself ;1MR O. I don't know.MISS W. I want to change because I am dissatisfied with myself as Iam, and I believe there is something better which one could becomeMR O Why become better?MISS W. I have an accumulation of bad thinking, automatic habits Iwant to get rid of these and start again.MR. O In order to get rid of it, it is necessary to get, to acquire moreand more things [The other shorthand note adds something hereabout 'worth while'.]MR C Could you repeat these last words?MR O I cannot repeat Otherwise it would be same things repeatedand repeated I cannot repeat This is the third one, and it must stopMR B I ask this Where and how may I find guidance to the thresholdof my own knowledge?