A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

it is only influences D. But you can always make B out of C, only youcannot get C out of B. This partly answers also Mr. L.'s question.MR. D. In the Fourth Way is greater use made of the third triad than inthe other ways?MR. O. Who can measure?MR. D. Are the catastrophic triads operating at the present momentdue to moon's influence?MR. O. What is a catastrophic triad? Everything is due to moon'sinfluence. Catastrophes are produced by a combination of moon's andplanets' influences.MR. H. Mr. O. spoke once of there being an aim which concerns us all.Will he speak again about this?MR. O. Which aim? In the sense of school? Or humanity?MR. H. Where is it best to direct one's attention when any effort atself-remembering is too difficult?MR. O. Maybe effort at self-remembering is difficult, but realizationthat we cannot remember ourselves cannot be difficult. If one issincere for a moment, one realizes that it is so.MR. H. Is trying to self-remember the most direct approach to thedevelopment of being?MR. O. Yes, but not only alone. It must be in connection with otherthings.MR. M. Is concentration a state in which one applies oneself to a pieceof work and is also physically aware of one's surroundings; andidentification a condition in which one is completely at the mercy ofthe thing which is engaging one's attention?MR. O. I did not use the word concentration. Concentration presupposescontrol. As we cannot control anything, it is impossible for us.There are books written about necessity of concentration. But how toconcentrate? We cannot keep our mind under control for two minutes.MR. M. If you are doing some work. . . .MR. O. Then the thing makes you concentrate. It is mechanical. It isnot you that concentrate. It is like attention. Attention can be drawnand kept, or can one direct it? These are different facts. You must learnto see facts, see whether we can do it or not.MR. M. Can I in my present state observe the interval in an octave ofwork?MR. O. You may occasionally find intervals in your own work.