A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MRS. R. Is it higher emotional centre that begins with No. 5?MR. O. Higher emotional centre. Quite right. Third state of consciousness—self-consciousness.MRS. W. Was the Christ man No. 5, or was he higher?MR. O. We cannot speak about Christ. There is no evidence of thehistorical existence of Christ.MISS B. How about Buddha?MR. O. Buddha is more historical.MISS B. What was he?MR. O. I don't know. I never met him.MRS. C. Can we know about people in the past?MR. O. We don't know. Again, that's formatory.MISS H . In self-remembering should one remember one's actions andthoughts? What is self-remembering?MR. O. Being aware of oneself.MR. Z. Man No. 4 has two bodies; is that right?MR. O. If you want to use this term, but I see no use for it.MRS. N. How do you know that a cat has an astral body?MR. O. By the quickness of his movements. It's all connection ofcentres.MR. H. Regarding the Yogis—they go into a state of complete oblivion.Is that right?MR. O. I don't know what you know about Yoga. Almost all that iswritten is wrong. Yoga cannot exist without a school. It has no valuewithout school.MR. H. But Yoga does mean 'awakening', doesn't it?MR. O. Yes, it means awakening—that is one of the meanings. Yogareally means 'control'.MR. Z. Do you mean by that the reading of Oriental philosophy is nouse?MR. O. Depends what you want. If you want many words—very good.MISS B. Is the Fourth Way this system?MR. O. No, not 'the Fourth Way is this system' but 'the system is partof the Fourth Way'.MISS H . How can you put someone else on the steps?MR. O. This is group work. One group makes possible another. But whomade this group possible? You don't know it, but the London groups.MRS. C. Must a man be partly awake if he is attracted to the group?