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Q. He would have had to have some memory to make that possible,wouldn't he? To realize mistakes in past life or lack of preparation?MR. O. There may be no mistake. Simply lack of preparation, quiteright.Q . Does that mean that for some things that happen in this life we lookback to some cause or symptom?MR. O. Too many things implied. One needs preparation. One saysone is not prepared. Perhaps one could have been prepared before. Canyou do anything about it? It is difficult, I know. One may think one isnot prepared for a certain thing.Q . If man is working to overcome five obstacles to waking, is that notfirst step to prepare for recurrence?MR. O. Very good. But he may think about something quite different.Q . What must we do to avoid spoiling our memory?MR. O. Imagination first, lying second; two things destr oy our memory.When we first spoke of lying people took it as funny. They did notrealize that one can destroy one's memory completely. Struggle withimagination also. Not just for sport or exercise. Well, try to findsomething. Occasionally we find some point from which we can startand then lose it again.Q . When you say memory is spoiled by lying and imagination, do youspeak of intellectual memory?MR. O. I speak of intellectual memory.Q . Man is born with limited capacity to remember—even this is spoiled?MR. O. Quite right.Q . What do you mean by psychological memory?MR. O. Intellectual centre memory.MR. A .W. Does this spoiling of memory result in physiological change?MR. O. Oh, yes; it may bring complete lunacy. Old psychologists knewabout that. They spoke about hysterics and so on, but they did notrealize that just by our ordinary psychological play we can spoilmemory. Lying about ideas, imagining about ideas and so on.Q . How can we recognize in ourselves the degree to which memoryhas been spoiled?MR. O. We cannot. We can only fight against spoiling it. Struggleagainst lying, struggle against imagination.Q . How can we recognize characteristics of imagination?MR. O. That we can study. We spoke five years about it. One must
find one's favourite imagination. Classify. One prefers imagination,another prefers lying—question of taste.Q . Wouldn't belief in recurrence result in a great urgency to make effort?MR. O. Belief will not help. Belief is deadening. It has not sufficientpower, but idealization may.MR. A .W. What can help us to recognize lying in ourselves?MR. O. There are many different things. First, analysis of facts, words,theories. Recognition of other people's lying is very useful. And thenone bright morning one can come to oneself.Q . Is false personality a form of lying?MR. O. Leave false personality. It is not a form of lying. It is a defence.Avoiding unpleasant results behind false personality, one can feeloneself in a certain way.Q . How would we come to a realization of recurrence if we have nofacts on which to base it?MR. O. Perhaps some think they have facts. But they are not sure, sothey say theories not facts.Q . When one has a strong feeling of event having happened before,can one use that to develop memory?MR. O. Oh, it can happen in many different ways. Only after very longand very serious investigation can one come to the conclusion thatthere may be facts.Q . If man understood about recurrence would he change his activities?MR. O. I don't know. It depends on man. And how long.Q . In a lifetime?MR O What do you know that lasted a lifetime?88.45.Q . Did I understand you to say that psychological memory was memoryof the intellectual centre?MR. O. That expression 'psychological memory' was used in Frenchpsychology about fifty years ago. It means intellectual memory.Q . Does self-remembering belong to this memory?MR. O. No. Self-remembering belongs to unexisting things—dreams,imagination.Q . I understood you to say last week that in order to prepare ourselvesfor recurrence we should try to think when in a previous existence wehad missed an opportunity to prepare ourselves.
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A record of some of the meetings he
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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MISS M. In reference to what you sa
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I know these ideas cannot be found
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Wednesday. January 16th 1935.Ray of
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they develop one from another. We t
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Wednesday. January 9th 1935. Thursd
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nearest to us is earth. All planets
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Thursday. January 24th 1935.It is a
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impressions above H48 are not a rul
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Thursday. February 28th 1935.MR. O.
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MR. R. May one use this system to u
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mystery about it, I want to give yo
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Q . Are we to only ask people who a
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exception of quite extreme cases, e
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view; at the same time, by studying
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line. This is the beginning of the
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Q . If there is no not-weakness, ho
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sophical schools. But ordinarily a
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think that man can reincarnate. Chr
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MR. R. About laws that we can be fr
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MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live bel
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MR. L. I notice that I am often irr
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take an analogy on a smaller scale.
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MR. O. I don't know. I have the rig
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MR. O. Maybe. We cannot take them a
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give up, there is no will. Another
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it is only influences D. But you ca
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MR. O. Certainly quite different. T
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MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of at
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MRS. W. You spoke of the dangers of
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MR. O. You can work to come into co
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get rid of these unpleasant emotion
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our own weaknesses, and if we know
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MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. C. Does inner octave mean that
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(our ray). We take only the Absolut
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MR. O. I don't know. Many things ca
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Thursday. March 19th 1936.MISS C. I
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MR. L. What is evil? .MR. O. What i
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that he wanted to go to Italy on a
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MR. O. That is not the reason. Even
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not the purely conventional evil, b
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speaking, if you mean instinctive c
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You cannot begin with 'doing'. Even
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Question about triads.MR. O. ... Wi
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***MR. D. A question about art.MR.
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We will represent the Absolute by a
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MR. N. But there are still mechanic
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MR. O. It means the general weakeni
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looks so difficult when it is expla
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eader will never be able to find th
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This shows the beginning of a view
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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On the technical side the formation
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MRS. A . I understood Mr. O. to say
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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Monday. October 18th 1937.MR. O. Tr
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this, or the same, and also others.
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Thursday. October 28th 1937.[Descri
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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Thursday. January 6th 1938. (Warwic
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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Thursday. January 13th 1938. (Warwi
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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Monday. January 17th 1938.MR. O. In
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this activity, try to see all that
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MR. F. What is the significance oth
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what size is the picture, what is t
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part of emotional centre. How does
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do it. Like if you have to make the
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MR. A . What is the fundamental con
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think they can; they will describe
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work, the answer is best revealed w
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terms It is, however, possible to b
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normal sleep, but you cannot lose m
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one definition. First each must be
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MR. A . As soon as a man throws him
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ordinary state, we cannot speak exc
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igger scale, you know. We are not t
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Thursday. February 3rd 1938. (Warwi
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the problem, not change your action
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incomplete development which does n
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not principle. We can distinguish m
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MR O. How can I explain? Many thing
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MR. S. Does self-remembering help o
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Does a destructive action start wit
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MR. O. We may talk about scales lat
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who call themselves Yogis—some ju
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MR. O. Certainly different types co
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MR. O. In the sense of expanding, d
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three notes of a cosmic octave What
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example, an advertisement) or I ove
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only requires initial effort to beg
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MISS B If you sit down and try to t
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MR. O. At the same time, they are d
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MR. O. We do not speak about oursel
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y thought? For example, if I am thi
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of accumulation is very complicated
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You must understand that I would li
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Thursday. March 17th 1938. (Warwick
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MR. J. Did Mr. O. say last time tha
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MR. P . Does not power to invent th
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[Questions from Thursday, March 9th
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MR. O. It is too difficult to speak
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MR O Here again, all I can say is t
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late results and eliminate wrong ac
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MR. O. No, no. I do not know where
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MR. H. How much is known about the
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MR. R. There are certain religious
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MR. M. But did not you yourself con
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MR. O. Yes. That was from the ordin
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School cannot be mechanical, so it
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MR. O. They eat different worms.MRS
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and the result of outside stimuli,
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een a negative emotion, for how cou
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talking about coming to lectures an
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five-dimensional world, and the que
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instance, its curvature, the three
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will not be good either. There is n
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it is and suppose they were made li
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natural laws from ordinary deductio
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we cannot use conscience, cannot fe
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certain extent, but not sufficientl
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whereas the influence on masses of
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strength. Then after some time agai
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MISS L. Does emotional centre take
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MR. O. It depends on the octave aga
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work will help another. You have oc
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MR. O. In asking a question like th
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incompatible with the one you want
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can never control two or three cent
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MISS R. Is the desire to dress well
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doesn't care for knowledge—in any
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MR. C. Is such an inequality, if pr
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organization. This formulation abou
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was simply your imagination that di
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it meets all sorts of matters, whic
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MR. O. That shows shocks. One produ
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MR. O. I don't follow.MISS C. It se
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MR. M. Is there a chemical change w
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MR. O. No, it means simply some con
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quite personal; there are not two p
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an action happen, or are the three
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all organic life, then certainly ma
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Monday. July 25th 1938. (Warwick Ga
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Accident'. I can see 'cause and eff
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takes place. It is not only actual
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way, you will have to explain to ne
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or wrong or not belonging to it, an
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MR. O. For many reasons. It is diff
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MR. H. What part does the negative
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I am persuaded that there is someth
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MISS M . I ask these questions beca
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MR D . Is there a danger of negativ
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personality If one fails it is beca
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only make us more blind, but which,
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ut they bring other people, and tho
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MR. O. Just individually.Q . I mean
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there were certain moments when the
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y your own self. But there is no di
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mean that from the point of view of
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Incomplete record. [?] End of Janua
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thinking. Considering is a useless
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MR. M. Am I right in thinking that
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MR. O. No, there is nothing to worr
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theories. Then only when we come to
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The sun is one of the suns of the M
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all on the same level, but they mus
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Sunday. October 15th 1939. (Lyne.)M
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understand the situation. You can d
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work, school-work. Certainly it was
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of things by studying questions lik
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same errors, the same states, quite
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these features. They play a certain
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lunacy in ourselves, and the creati
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itself. It also seems that I am mor
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never seem to have enough material
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MR. O. Well, try; if you have somet
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avoid it and you will see exactly t
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proper uses of formatory apparatus
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Next time I will try and come at th
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MRS. D. Is that 48 in the brain? [R
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MRS. D. What do you mean by a schoo
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MR. O. Certainly, yes.MRS. C. What
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it doesn't happen all at once. Afte
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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MRS. B. Do you do all three at the
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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is like another brain and quick—v
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Thursday. July 17th 1941. (New York
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MR. O. There are two forms of wrong
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Tuesday. July 22nd 1941. (New York.
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Wednesday. July 23rd 1941. (New Yor
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MR. O. I merely based it on the exa
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Thursday. July 24th 1941. (New York
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Tuesday. July 29th 1941. (New York.
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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Tuesday. August 5th 1941. (New York
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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MR. O. Maybe, in a small way. But i
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Only when one comes under school in
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Wednesday. August 4th 1943. (New Yo
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Page 533 and 534: MISS O It has no relation to what o
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Page 551 and 552: MISS R. But if one could, would it
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Page 589 and 590: MR. M. May I explain?MR. O. [to Mis
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Page 595 and 596: MR. O. Yes. Why not? You may . . .
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Page 599 and 600: MR. O. Well, who could say that?MIS
Page 601 and 602: MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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Page 605 and 606: MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
Page 607 and 608: MR. R. By trying and trying, one ca
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Page 615 and 616: MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MR. O. Well, you have to do somethi
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MR. O. When you remember? Quite rig
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MRS. v. This remembering myself you
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MISS Q . Yes.MRS. A . I find that a
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MRS R. You say we must bring more m
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