A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

like that I said that at times when people throw away and don't wantto take even their normal amount of knowledge, that material ofknowledge can be collected. Also, conditions are necessary for thatMR. R. And it is more possible through a school than by theindividual?MR. O That depends. If one hasn't been connected with a school thenit is impossible, but if one already knows something, then it ispossible—just by trying to understand and keeping this understandingof how things happen, how nobody can do anythingMRS. P. Then is there more energy about for those who understand?MR O No We must not deceive ourselves about that Although,again, we must remember that our work, which we are continuing,began really during the war. There was a small beginning before, quiteprivate, but during the war it began to develop.MR. R. Can the individual, as such, escape in these times, other thanthrough a school?MR. O. What can I say? Everything is possibleGenerally speaking, the continuation of the war and the end of thewar depend largely on the actions of governments that remain sane—comparatively sane, because neither is quite sane. If they do rightthings, being only comparatively sane, then there could be goodresults and things can be better. If they do wrong things, everythingwill be worse.The definite fact is that as long as bolshevism remains in Europethere will be no peace in Europe—and they fight with Hitler and leavethe bolsheviks alone. Certainly the bolsheviks help Hitler. Sooner orlater they will betray him. There is no question about that, butprobably later.And if they don't start war against the bolsheviks, and if they don'tchange the government in Russia and arrange a more or less normalgovernment there, this war will go on twenty years, and what willhappen in twenty years it is impossible to foreseeWe mustn't give all our attention to these questions. It is useful tothink about it from right points of view in order to understand thesituation, but the chief questions must be your own individual questions,school questions and so on.MR. F. Does one understand the same laws with regard to the conflict