A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

late results and eliminate wrong activity and do exactly what isnecessary to do and so on.MRS. N. Is not being able to distinguish between telling the truth andlying the same as habitual lying?MR. O. Certainly, it is not the same thing. You cannot compare whatwas said about the bolsheviks with ordinary levels. You think of themas if they were the same kind of people as you, on the same level. Theyare quite different people on a quite different level. Maybe you areasleep, but you are alive. They are more than dead—ten times dead.MISS M . Are shocks of different kinds? I ask this by way of trying tounderstand just what shocks are in the system sense.MR. O. In the system sense shocks are shown in the Food DiagramWhen you study these you will have two very good examples.MRS. D. Are shocks in this sense always caused by the entrance ofanother force?MR. O. You cannot speak about shocks in this theoretical way. Twoshocks are given for study and we must speak about them. Also youcan think about three lines of work. That also was explained, and justby using what is usually called imagination you can see how one line ofwork can help another line of workMR A Are shocks necessarily unpleasant or may they be quite theopposite?MR O They may necessitate effort, but they are not necessarily unpleasantQuite the opposite, at the moment of this effort, with the enteringof new energy, one may be very pleasantly surprised.MRS S. If there is no shock, the octave goes off in another direction,doesn't it?MR. O. Yes, that is the general theoryMRS. P. Did what was said in the reading mean that the bolshevikswould not realize they had lied if they thought about it afterwards?MR O. Exactly They would only justify it and lie more It is a peculiarmentality which you do not understand.MRS D. Does Mr. O. mean that these people who are confessingthings just now are inventing them, that they never did them?MR O Certainly they talked about these things and thought themEvidently you do not know them very well nor the fact that in manybig criminal trials people lie about themselves; they write letters, forinstance, inventing things, and when the letters are read they have to