A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MISS C. I do not belong to myself. How can I find mental independence?MR. O. That is only in this case that you will have independence If you say'I', 'I', 'I'—believe only in yourself or something, it is all words, all words.MR. U. What is effort? [Or possibly, 'What should we say instead?']MR. O. I don't know.MR. U. You said it was useless to say 'I'.MR. O. I didn't say anything similar to that.MR. R. I feel that seems to be the inherent mistake that you meantwhen I said I want to change.MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Can you repeat it?MR. R. I thought you implied that I have no significance.MR. O. I or you have no significance?MISS Q . I think the questioner is simply agreeing.MR. O. I do not like to be agreed with.MR. R. I was not presuming to agree, I was trying to find the source ofmy mistake.MR. O. I don't know who finds it. Who can find in this way hismistake?MR. N. How will I know when my aim is a useful one?MR. O. For whom?MR. N. For me.MR. O. Ask yourself. You will know . . . probably—because I cannotguarantee.MR. CA . Must I find out myself what type of effort to make in order toknow myself, or can I be told?MR. O. You may be told. It depends on different types too. Somepeople must [ ? be told, or, believe]. Some people must take things asthey are.MISS D. How is it possible to get physical energy out of listening tomusic or seeing a painting?MR. O. I cannot answer this question. I have never understood music.That is why I cannot. Cannot answer exactly this question, aboutmusic But there are things that have to be discussed before we cancome to an) thing else.MRS C I do not understand how much we can do by ourselves,because a man cannot do am thing by himself Is it only our efforts atself-remembering?