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and the result of outside stimuli, such as going to a lecture, seeing Mr.O. or reading the Gospels I have no one in me on whom I can dependto make me look for these stimuli, and even if I decide to make someeffort and it happens that I do, the original decision was just accident,a thought thrown up in my mind I do not know how. What can onedo to keep oneself working before finding one's real self?MR O. At the same time you must find differences. We can talk onlywhen you are able to distinguish between more mechanical and lessmechanical. So long as you think everything is the same I cannotanswer.MISS L I find that most of my identifications and distractions comefrom bodily sensations and cravings. So that in effect I am constantlysaying, 'I want to change, but not until I have smoked this cigarette orlooked into that shop window.' How can one use physical sensationsas a help rather than let them be a hindrance to work?MR. O. Everything can be used for self-remembering.MISS M . I am told of the existence of five centres and that by observingI may note my possession of them But this observation does not carryme on unless I can gain control of these centres, and I do not knowhow to do this. Will Mr. O. tell me if there is any immediate way bywhich I can cultivate this control or whether I must wait till thepractice of self-remembering brings the promised new realizationsMR O You cannot get control of centres before you know them Youmust know much more than you do now. The first thing to learnabout control is how not to identify. There are no special tricks orsecrets It is necessary to do all that has been said.MR. S While falling from a horse a short while ago I noticed anexpansion of time between the period of leaving the saddle andmeeting the ground This happened in the space of approximatelythree seconds, but during those seconds I noticed very vividly morenegativeness than I have in many hours previously What is thedifference between this time and the apparently much slower time inordinary circumstances?MR O I do not know It is so subjective this kind of impression Ihave never experienced it myself, this lengthening of timeMR S Has this observation anything to do with speed of centres?MR. O No.MR. S. After approximately twenty minutes of chaff-cutting and at the
same time trying to prevent the machine from crushing someone else'sfingers, I had a strange feeling of having done as much as I had inmany years, and that those twenty minutes had expanded enormouslyHas this feeling any significance as regards time?MR O No As I have already said, in general these feelings about timeare subjective, unusual feelings compared with usual feelingsMR S Would this possibly have been the result of the work I waspreviously doing, or do these states happen by accident?MR O It is not a question of states, only of subjective feeling Fromtime to time, particularly in the work, we happen to have newsensations, sensations to which we are not accustomed, and these weinterpret with our senses in a certain way, that is allMRS T How can one express a justifiable protest (for example, ifpeople are stealing one's possessions) without expressing negativeemotion, if one can't help feeling negative emotion?MR O About that you must ask a lawyer! I do not know English lawMRS T Can one hope to attain invisibility before becoming man No6?MR O I do not know Why man No 6? That is too definite Somepeople have special capacities for this producing the desired impression,and if they learn in the right way they may learn it quickly Whereasfor other people it may be very difficult It depends on the kind ofperson apart from other thingsMRS T Has Mr O ever been invisible?MR O I do not enter into this, you know I cannot give myself as anexample I could tell you anything I liked and you would have tobelieve me, and the first principle is that you must not believe anythingyou have not verifiedMRS D V ( hat degree of understanding have men 1, 2 and 3?MR O Relative understanding They are in a state of relative consciousness One understanding can be compared with another understanding,that is allMRS D Is it easier for man No 1 to understand man No 1 than manNo 2?MR O Yes, certainly, though again relatively In any case he will thinkhe understands him betterMRS S Some of the moments of my life which I can remember themost vividly have to do with fear Fear in this case surely cannot have
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A record of some of the meetings he
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Thursday. August 20th 1931.MR. O. I
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MISS G. When you say someone still
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MR. W. For oneself?MR. O. Yes, but
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MRS. M. Can I put it another way?MR
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MR. M. But you must believe somethi
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MISS M. In reference to what you sa
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I know these ideas cannot be found
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Wednesday. January 16th 1935.Ray of
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they develop one from another. We t
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Wednesday. January 9th 1935. Thursd
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nearest to us is earth. All planets
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Thursday. January 24th 1935.It is a
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impressions above H48 are not a rul
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Thursday. February 28th 1935.MR. O.
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MR. R. May one use this system to u
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mystery about it, I want to give yo
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Q . Are we to only ask people who a
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exception of quite extreme cases, e
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view; at the same time, by studying
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line. This is the beginning of the
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Q . If there is no not-weakness, ho
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sophical schools. But ordinarily a
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think that man can reincarnate. Chr
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MR. R. About laws that we can be fr
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MR. H. Mr. O. said that we live bel
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MR. L. I notice that I am often irr
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take an analogy on a smaller scale.
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MR. O. I don't know. I have the rig
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MR. O. Maybe. We cannot take them a
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give up, there is no will. Another
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it is only influences D. But you ca
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MR. O. Certainly quite different. T
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MRS. H. Doesn't a real change of at
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MRS. W. You spoke of the dangers of
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MR. O. You can work to come into co
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get rid of these unpleasant emotion
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our own weaknesses, and if we know
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MR. O. Truth exists without us, but
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MR. C. Does inner octave mean that
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(our ray). We take only the Absolut
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MR. O. I don't know. Many things ca
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Thursday. March 19th 1936.MISS C. I
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MR. L. What is evil? .MR. O. What i
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that he wanted to go to Italy on a
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MR. O. That is not the reason. Even
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not the purely conventional evil, b
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speaking, if you mean instinctive c
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You cannot begin with 'doing'. Even
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Question about triads.MR. O. ... Wi
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***MR. D. A question about art.MR.
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We will represent the Absolute by a
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MR. N. But there are still mechanic
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MR. O. It means the general weakeni
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looks so difficult when it is expla
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eader will never be able to find th
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This shows the beginning of a view
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MR. D. Could such facts as these be
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certain rules and conditions. If on
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On the technical side the formation
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MR. O. This is a subject for conver
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MR. O. At present we cannot do much
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MISS W. I feel that we don't rememb
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MR. O. About St. Paul it is necessa
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can help, but it cannot, by itself,
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talks be necessary, why is school n
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MR. C. It is difficult to see wheth
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MRS. A . I understood Mr. O. to say
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MR. O. You mean unsuccessful?MR. P
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Monday. October 18th 1937.MR. O. Tr
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this, or the same, and also others.
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Thursday. October 28th 1937.[Descri
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understand the necessity of objecti
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MR. O. No, he is taking no responsi
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comes to us through so many transla
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the same way which leads to objecti
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the beginning. Something happens—
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How does one accept that in our wor
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Thursday. January 6th 1938. (Warwic
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also determines action. But if you
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MR. O. There are many laws. Certain
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We can pass differently the time in
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opposites—splendour and misery, d
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MRS. D. Can criminal energy be used
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MRS. F. Should one try to direct en
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MR. O I meant if you do not identif
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Monday. January 17th 1938.MR. O. In
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this activity, try to see all that
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MR. F. What is the significance oth
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what size is the picture, what is t
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part of emotional centre. How does
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do it. Like if you have to make the
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MR. A . What is the fundamental con
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think they can; they will describe
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work, the answer is best revealed w
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terms It is, however, possible to b
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normal sleep, but you cannot lose m
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one definition. First each must be
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MR. A . As soon as a man throws him
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ordinary state, we cannot speak exc
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igger scale, you know. We are not t
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the problem, not change your action
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Killing a man, does that belong to
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incomplete development which does n
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not principle. We can distinguish m
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MR O. How can I explain? Many thing
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MR. S. Does self-remembering help o
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Does a destructive action start wit
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MR. O. We may talk about scales lat
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who call themselves Yogis—some ju
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MR. O. Certainly different types co
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MR. O. In the sense of expanding, d
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MR. O. That shows shocks. One produ
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MR. O. I don't follow.MISS C. It se
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MR. M. Is there a chemical change w
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MR. O. No, it means simply some con
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quite personal; there are not two p
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an action happen, or are the three
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all organic life, then certainly ma
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Accident'. I can see 'cause and eff
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takes place. It is not only actual
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way, you will have to explain to ne
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or wrong or not belonging to it, an
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MR. O. For many reasons. It is diff
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MR. H. What part does the negative
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I am persuaded that there is someth
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MISS M . I ask these questions beca
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MR D . Is there a danger of negativ
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personality If one fails it is beca
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only make us more blind, but which,
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ut they bring other people, and tho
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MR. O. Just individually.Q . I mean
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there were certain moments when the
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y your own self. But there is no di
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mean that from the point of view of
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Incomplete record. [?] End of Janua
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thinking. Considering is a useless
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MR. M. Am I right in thinking that
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MR. O. No, there is nothing to worr
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theories. Then only when we come to
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The sun is one of the suns of the M
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all on the same level, but they mus
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Sunday. October 15th 1939. (Lyne.)M
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understand the situation. You can d
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work, school-work. Certainly it was
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of things by studying questions lik
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same errors, the same states, quite
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these features. They play a certain
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lunacy in ourselves, and the creati
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itself. It also seems that I am mor
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never seem to have enough material
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MR. O. Well, try; if you have somet
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avoid it and you will see exactly t
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proper uses of formatory apparatus
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MR E It is possible, isn't it, to h
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Next time I will try and come at th
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MRS. D. Is that 48 in the brain? [R
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MRS. D. What do you mean by a schoo
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MR. O. Certainly, yes.MRS. C. What
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MR. N. You can't relate it to the o
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Tuesday. June 24th 1941. (New York.
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MR. O. I don't know. I can speak on
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MR. O. Yes, no question about that.
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it doesn't happen all at once. Afte
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MISS Q . Is the power of mental tel
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MRS. P. Does the energy that comes
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MRS. B. Do you do all three at the
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Friday. July 11th 1941. (New York.)
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deception in imagination. Many lazy
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MR. F. But didn't you say, sir, tha
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MR. O. Oh, many other things. First
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is like another brain and quick—v
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Thursday. July 17th 1941. (New York
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MR. O. There are two forms of wrong
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Tuesday. July 22nd 1941. (New York.
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Wednesday. July 23rd 1941. (New Yor
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MR. O. I merely based it on the exa
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Thursday. July 24th 1941. (New York
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Tuesday. July 29th 1941. (New York.
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MR. B. Why do centres interfere wit
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Tuesday. August 5th 1941. (New York
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MR. S. Trying to think of yourself,
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MR. O. Try to look at it from the p
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MRS. F. How can one send help ahead
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the cause and reason for it through
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thought most people were dead, but
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MR. O. We speak about schools which
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MRS. P. Have we the right to assume
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MR. O. Maybe, in a small way. But i
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Only when one comes under school in
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Wednesday. August 4th 1943. (New Yo
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MR. H. Is it possible to make a liv
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MRS. T. In the example you describe
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MISS O It has no relation to what o
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MR C Is it possible to stimulate co
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shock is necessary for further refi
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MR. B. It is possible to observe an
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This brings us to influences. Influ
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ings the development of consciousne
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unusual thing happens, you may feel
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think about the possibility of awak
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Wednesday. October 6th 1943. (New Y
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MISS R. But if one could, would it
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MISS H . I never thought of 'consid
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Wednesday. November 17th 1943. (New
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MR. O. When you try to remember you
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and people repeat it without knowin
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certain proficiency in the control
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MR. O. I think everyone can have as
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MR. O. But what does waste mean? We
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MR. O. Yes, it controls the necessi
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MR. O. Because we don't know enough
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Memory (From New York Meetings 1944
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friend who came to meet me at the G
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musical impressions one learns musi
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Q. Is there a way of trying to make
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By reincarnation you mean in time
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find one's favourite imagination. C
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But this changes all ideas of recur
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Monday. February 24th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. NO.Q . Why are we here?MR. O
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MR. M. May I explain?MR. O. [to Mis
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Q . I find that the answers are eve
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MR. O. Yes. Why not? You may . . .
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Wednesday. March 5th 1947. (Colet G
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MR. O. Well, who could say that?MIS
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MR. H. Is a realization of where we
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MR. O. [to Miss Q.] Well, do you un
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MISS Q. NO.MR. O. Then you remember
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MR. R. By trying and trying, one ca
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MISS C. I do not belong to myself.
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Wednesday. March 12th 1947. (Colet
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MR. O. For some people.MRS. U. Is i
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MISS I. Have there been any real qu
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MR. O. Maybe, maybe not. I don't se
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MISS I. Are our questions too theor
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MR. O. You must try.MRS. F. How can
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MR. JA. I feel there is one part in
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MR. O. I can only envy this man or
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that I have no questions. I tried t
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view—the personal one—and is it
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MR. O. Well, you have to do somethi
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Wednesday. May 21st 1947. (Colet Ga
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MR. O. When you remember? Quite rig
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MRS. v. This remembering myself you
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MISS Q . Yes.MRS. A . I find that a
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MRS R. You say we must bring more m
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