A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

Thursday. July 24th 1941. (New York.)MR. W. Is it meant by imagination, imagining oneself talking to someone,and so on?MR. O. Yes, that's one form of imagination. But there are many otherforms.MR. W. Imagining qualities in oneself and in others?MR. O. In oneself, first of all.MR. W. How can you test this in yourself?MR. O. One must verify it. One must be sincere. One must be brave,and one must not be afraid if they find unpleasant qualities in oneself.MISS S. With Hitler going against himself does that mean that he goescontrary to the Law of Octaves?MR. O. Turn, turn. The Law of Octaves can go in one direction andturn.MRS. R. Does that change occur at fa?MR. O. Oh, any place. There are many intervals. If we don't know thescale we can't say.MRS. W. Then this was just a lucky accident?MR. O. Like everything else, it is an accident.MRS. W. How can we know the intervals in our lives?MR. O. By studying the past. It's useful to look through your life, andlook for what you think were your cross-roads. You think that therewas a choice, but really there was none.MR. R. Then if you knew all the octaves you could know all aboutyour life?MR. O. But you cannot know that. You would have to be, well, sayman No. 7 to see all the octaves.MISS. S. Would an analysis of psychology help us to understand theLaw of Octaves?MR. O. It may be, but in certain cases we may be able to see and studyit without any particular analysis.MISS. S. Is it desirable to achieve this emotional state?