A Record of Meetings held by P.D. Ouspensky - HolyBooks.com

MRS D You said to be serious meant to take nothing seriouslyMR O Unless you know you have to take it seriouslyMRS D I think that is going to be very difficult One tries not to, butgoes right on doing itMR O That does not mean to be seriousMISS R How can one start not to be identified with the result ofsomething? Something you hope very much will happen—where thereis apprehensionMR O Facts must be described Otherwise I do not know how tospeak about it But again, if we leave that and take only identification,you must understand that identification does not help It only makesthings more confused and more difficult If you realized even that—that alone in some cases may help Sometimes people think it helpsthem, they do not realize it makes it more difficultMISS J If one is identified with getting somewhere in time, it is stillthere even if you get it out of your mindMR O Yes, difficult moment Particularly if you are already late Buteven then you can say 'If I miss train, I miss train Train will not wait 'MR A I suppose identified mind is imperfect mind?MR O No Mind is mind It is the same It can be identified or notidentified Sometimes even direction of attention is sufficientSuppose one never heard about identification and possibility ofgetting rid of it One considers identification with best things Youmeet people who sincerely think this is their best manifestation, youwill find it very oftenMR A I suggest that a great many things would not be accomplishedwithout identificationMR O Quite possible, but they would be accomplished better withoutit and many wrong things would not happen This is exactly) ourordinary thinking We think it is necessary when actually it only spoilsthings It is not a thing which has useful energy in it at all, onlydestructive energyMR A Take an aviator concentrating on making a recordMR O If he identifies he will have an accident, nothing more The wholechance of his getting this record is not identifying He may call itconcentration, control or something The moment he identifies he is lostMISS F Is identification mainly emotion?MR O Yes—a kind of emotional disturbance