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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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SPARTA'S RIPOSTE 99<br />

belong to <strong>the</strong> King; and about his own territory <strong>the</strong> King may decide<br />

whatever he wishes. " 123 <strong>The</strong> first statement is clearly a concession to<br />

<strong>the</strong> Spartans and a concession to <strong>the</strong> complaints <strong>of</strong> Lichas. <strong>The</strong>re is<br />

no mention <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Great King's fa<strong>the</strong>r or ancestors and <strong>the</strong> territory<br />

<strong>the</strong>y once held. Darius limits his practical claims to Asia. <strong>The</strong> second<br />

statement has given rise to speculation about possible rejection <strong>of</strong><br />

clauses limiting <strong>the</strong> Great King's freedom <strong>of</strong> action contained in <strong>the</strong><br />

Peace <strong>of</strong> Callias, made with A<strong>the</strong>ns at mid-century, or to some Spartan<br />

proposals, unknown to us, about <strong>the</strong> status <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Greek cities in Asia.<br />

But once again, Lewis' suggestion seems most persuasive: "it may<br />

simply reflect an angry outburst <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> King when faced with <strong>the</strong><br />

difficulty about <strong>the</strong> definition <strong>of</strong> his empire. If he is going to accept<br />

an explicit limitation to Asia ... <strong>the</strong>re is to be no quibbling about his<br />

rights <strong>the</strong>re. ""'" 4<br />

<strong>The</strong> most important change is in <strong>the</strong> plan for waging <strong>the</strong> war implied<br />

in <strong>the</strong> new agreement. Until now <strong>the</strong> only forces referred to have been<br />

<strong>the</strong> <strong>Peloponnesian</strong> ones summoned and maintained by <strong>the</strong> king. <strong>The</strong><br />

implicit assumption has been that <strong>the</strong>y will do <strong>the</strong> fighting and <strong>the</strong><br />

Great King only <strong>the</strong> paying. It is only later that <strong>the</strong>re is even a suggestion<br />

about bringing in significant royal forces, namely, <strong>the</strong> Phoenician<br />

fleet. us <strong>The</strong> new agreement, however, introduces a complete<br />

change <strong>of</strong> perspective. <strong>The</strong> Great King's ships are <strong>the</strong> center <strong>of</strong> attention<br />

and <strong>the</strong> focal point <strong>of</strong> expectations for military success. Tissaphemes,<br />

who remains in charge <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Persian conduct <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> war in<br />

spite <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> presence <strong>of</strong> Pharnabazus and Hieramenes in <strong>the</strong> preamble,<br />

will maintain <strong>the</strong> <strong>Peloponnesian</strong> forces on <strong>the</strong> basis <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> specific<br />

financial agreement only until <strong>the</strong> Great King's ships come. After that<br />

<strong>the</strong>y may stay on at <strong>the</strong>ir own expense or receive money from Tissaphernes,<br />

not as a grant but as a loan to be repaid at <strong>the</strong> end <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

war, and war is to be waged by both sides in common "when <strong>the</strong><br />

King's ships shall have come.""'<br />

We cannot be sure whe<strong>the</strong>r <strong>the</strong> Persians had really decided that <strong>the</strong><br />

war must and could be won by bringing a large Phoenician fleet into<br />

action. <strong>The</strong> sorry record <strong>of</strong> Phoenician warships against Greeks, <strong>the</strong><br />

doubts <strong>of</strong>Thucydides, and <strong>the</strong> fact that <strong>the</strong> fleet never appeared compel<br />

m8.58.2.<br />

124<br />

Sparta and Persia, 106.<br />

ms. 37·4; 46. I.<br />

ll6s.ss. s-7.

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