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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE FALL OF ATHENS 389<br />

near by and had come down to <strong>the</strong> camp at Aegospotami on horseback!'<br />

He pointed out <strong>the</strong> inadequacies <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> place as a base and<br />

advised <strong>the</strong> generals to move to Sestos, where <strong>the</strong>y would have a city,<br />

a harbor, adequate supplies, and a place from which <strong>the</strong>y could fight<br />

whenever <strong>the</strong>y liked. He also claimed to have <strong>the</strong> friendship <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

Thracian kings Medocus and Seu<strong>the</strong>s, who, he alleged, had agreed to<br />

give him a large army with which he could finish <strong>of</strong>f <strong>the</strong> war with <strong>the</strong><br />

Spartans." <strong>The</strong> <strong>of</strong>fer seems promising, and we should not be surprised<br />

that Alcibiades thought <strong>of</strong> it. A<strong>the</strong>ns' greatest naval victory at <strong>the</strong><br />

battle <strong>of</strong> Cyzicus, in which Alcibiades had played such an important<br />

part, had been won by <strong>the</strong> skillful use <strong>of</strong> combined operations on land<br />

and sea. <strong>The</strong> fighting in <strong>the</strong> Hellespont between 411 and 407 had<br />

shown <strong>the</strong> need for land troops to support <strong>the</strong> fleets. If <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians<br />

could employ a superior land army against Lampsacus, <strong>the</strong>y could<br />

force Lysander's hand. If <strong>the</strong> city were taken, <strong>the</strong> Spartan fleet would<br />

be deprived <strong>of</strong> supplies and could be starved out. <strong>The</strong> Spartans would<br />

<strong>the</strong>n be forced ei<strong>the</strong>r to fight <strong>the</strong>ir way out or surrender. If <strong>the</strong>y fought,<br />

locked in <strong>the</strong> harbor, <strong>the</strong>y would almost surely be defeated and, shut<br />

in by <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian fleet and with <strong>the</strong> land in hostile hands, <strong>the</strong> Spartan<br />

fleet would be annihilated, as it was at <strong>the</strong> battle <strong>of</strong> Cyzicus.<br />

<strong>The</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian generals, however, rejected both <strong>the</strong> advice and <strong>the</strong><br />

<strong>of</strong>fer. <strong>The</strong> advice was not as good as Alcibiades thought, for in spite<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> disadvantages <strong>of</strong> Aegospotami as a base, <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians needed<br />

to stay close to Lysander's fleet. <strong>The</strong> <strong>of</strong>fer, on <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, presented<br />

an important opportunity, but <strong>the</strong>re were adequate reasons for <strong>the</strong><br />

generals' refusal. One <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m must have been simple disbelief in<br />

Alcibiades' ability to deliver on his promise. He had made many promises<br />

in <strong>the</strong> past that he had not carried out, most notably to bring<br />

Tissaphemes over to <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian side. He was fully capable <strong>of</strong> promising<br />

a vast army, regaining a position <strong>of</strong> influence in <strong>the</strong> AtlJenian<br />

army, and <strong>the</strong>n delivering only a fraction <strong>of</strong> what he had promised.<br />

42<br />

Plut. Ak. 36.5; Xen. 2.1.25; Diod. IJ.I05-J; Nepos 7.8.2.<br />

4 JXenophon (2. 1.25) speaks only <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> advice w move <strong>the</strong> base. Diodorus (IJ.I05-3)<br />

mentions only <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fer to supply Thracian troops. Nepos (7 .8) mentions both, presenting<br />

Alcibiades as giving <strong>the</strong> advic~ to move after his <strong>of</strong>fer <strong>of</strong> military aid was<br />

rejected. Plutarch (Ale. J6.s-37-2) also mentions both, although in a different way.<br />

After his advice to move is rejected, Alcibiades leaves, telling his friends that if he had<br />

not been insulted by <strong>the</strong> generals, he would have forced <strong>the</strong> Spartans to fight or lose<br />

<strong>the</strong>ir ships because his Thracian troops could attack <strong>the</strong> enemy camp. Whatever <strong>the</strong><br />

order <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>se events and <strong>the</strong> details, <strong>the</strong>re is no reason why he should not have made<br />

both <strong>the</strong> suggestion and <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fer.

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