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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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CONCLUSIONS 419<br />

possession <strong>of</strong> those things. It was only necessary to continue to inflict<br />

naval defeats on <strong>the</strong> Spartans until <strong>the</strong> political situation in Persia<br />

changed decisively. Had <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians defeated Lysander in <strong>the</strong> Hellespont<br />

in 405, or even averted defeat at that time, <strong>the</strong> decisive moment<br />

might have come in <strong>the</strong> spring <strong>of</strong> 404 with <strong>the</strong> death <strong>of</strong> Darius. That<br />

would have removed Cyrus from power and very probably put an end<br />

to adequate and reliable Persian support for Sparta. <strong>The</strong> new king<br />

might have been inclined to reject <strong>the</strong> policies and associates <strong>of</strong> his<br />

bro<strong>the</strong>r and rival; he might have reverted to his friend Tissaphernes'<br />

old policy <strong>of</strong> supporting <strong>the</strong> weaker against <strong>the</strong> stronger power while<br />

giving nei<strong>the</strong>r enough help for victory, or he might have lost interest<br />

in <strong>the</strong> Aegean entirely, as <strong>the</strong> Persians had largely done between <strong>the</strong><br />

battle at <strong>the</strong> Eurymedon in <strong>the</strong> 46os and <strong>the</strong>ir intervention a halfcentury<br />

later.<br />

Thucydides was also right to see internal strife as a major cause <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian defeat, but here again, we must examine more precisely<br />

what this means. It does not mean that factional quarrels led to betrayals<br />

that cost A<strong>the</strong>ns <strong>the</strong> war. We have no reason to believe that<br />

Thucydides accepted <strong>the</strong> allegations that blamed defeat at <strong>the</strong> battle<br />

<strong>of</strong> Aegospotami on treason. Moreover, it is worth noticing that <strong>the</strong><br />

democratic regime that emerged from <strong>the</strong> most striking examples <strong>of</strong><br />

factional strife-<strong>the</strong> oligarchic coup <strong>of</strong> 411, <strong>the</strong> moderate countercoup<br />

in <strong>the</strong> same year, and <strong>the</strong> reversion to complete democracy in 41o-­<br />

carried on <strong>the</strong> war more effectively than any since <strong>the</strong> Sicilian disaster.<br />

Those "private quarrels" certainly did not lead to <strong>the</strong> defeat <strong>of</strong> A<strong>the</strong>ns.<br />

Perhaps we may approach Thucydides' intentions by assuming that<br />

he refers to <strong>the</strong> factional and personal conflicts that led to <strong>the</strong> two<br />

expulsions <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades. It is certainly hard to believe that events<br />

could have gone as badly for <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians in Sicily had Alcibiades<br />

remained as one <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> commanders, and if <strong>the</strong>re had been no Sicilian<br />

disaster, it is not likely that <strong>the</strong> allies would have dared rebel or <strong>the</strong><br />

Persians intervene. Without <strong>the</strong>se developments, <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians would<br />

not have lost <strong>the</strong> war. If that is what Thucydides means, we must<br />

agree with his judgment. His words, however, seem to refer to <strong>the</strong><br />

period after <strong>the</strong> calamity in Sicily, to <strong>the</strong> Decelean or Ionian phase <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> war. In that case, he would mean that <strong>the</strong> exile <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades after<br />

<strong>the</strong> battle <strong>of</strong> Notium was crucial for A<strong>the</strong>nian fortunes. If <strong>the</strong> implication<br />

is that Alcibiades' gifts as a military leader were vital to A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

success, we cannot agree. <strong>The</strong> evidence is that Alcibiades was a commander<br />

<strong>of</strong> considerable ability, particularly in certain special areas such

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