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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE COUP 149<br />

assembly would choose <strong>the</strong> proedroi designated by <strong>the</strong> conspirators.<br />

<strong>The</strong> Five Thousand, publicly mentioned in previous discussions, 70<br />

consisting <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> men <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hoplite census and above, were also to be<br />

drawn up, and <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred were empowered to call <strong>the</strong>m toge<strong>the</strong>r<br />

whenever <strong>the</strong>y saw fit." <strong>The</strong> assembly passed <strong>the</strong>se measures<br />

without dissent and dissolved. <strong>The</strong> democracy that had reigned for<br />

almost a century would be replaced by a regime that excluded <strong>the</strong><br />

lower classes from political life and turned <strong>the</strong> present management<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> state over to a narrow oligarchy.<br />

Thucydides, writing long after <strong>the</strong> event and fully aware <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

outcome, treats this occasion as <strong>the</strong> plain and simple establishment <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> oligarchy <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred and dismisses all talk <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five<br />

Thousand as a smokescreen. But to <strong>the</strong> participants, without <strong>the</strong> benefit<br />

<strong>of</strong> hindsight, <strong>the</strong> program must have seemed consistent with <strong>the</strong><br />

plans <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> moderates that had already been <strong>the</strong> basis <strong>of</strong> public discussion.<br />

<strong>The</strong> elimination <strong>of</strong> payment for almost all public services<br />

except those related to <strong>the</strong> war and <strong>the</strong> establishment <strong>of</strong> an active<br />

citizen body <strong>of</strong> about five thousand men limited to those <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hoplite<br />

census or higher were <strong>the</strong> elements <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir program. <strong>The</strong> introduction<br />

<strong>of</strong> a smaller body <strong>of</strong> Four Hundred, temporarily charged with <strong>the</strong><br />

conduct <strong>of</strong> affairs until <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand could be brought into being,<br />

was an entirely reasonable addition. None <strong>of</strong> this should have caused<br />

any anxiety for <strong>the</strong> moderates in <strong>the</strong> movement. <strong>The</strong> only question<br />

708.65·3·<br />

71<br />

8.67.3; Ath. Pol. 29-5· <strong>The</strong> divergence between Thucydides and Aristode is very<br />

stark at this point. Thucydides does not mention <strong>the</strong> appointment <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand,<br />

since he regards <strong>the</strong>ir existence as <strong>the</strong>oretical and inconsequential at this time. Aristotle<br />

does not mention <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred here. Instead, he describes <strong>the</strong> plan as turning<br />

<strong>the</strong> state over to "those <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians most capable <strong>of</strong> serving <strong>the</strong> state with <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

persons and <strong>the</strong>ir property, to <strong>the</strong> number <strong>of</strong> not less than five thousand" (29-5). He<br />

pictures <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred as coming into being only later. In his version, <strong>the</strong> Five<br />

Thousand met and elected a committee <strong>of</strong> 100 to draw up a permanent constitution<br />

for <strong>the</strong> future and ano<strong>the</strong>r for <strong>the</strong> present. This latter, temporary constitution established<br />

<strong>the</strong> rule <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred in a perfectly legal way. <strong>The</strong> proposal was made<br />

by <strong>the</strong> commission <strong>of</strong> 100 and ratified by <strong>the</strong> assembly <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand. Although<br />

<strong>the</strong>y contain some complementary elements, <strong>the</strong>re is no way to reconcile <strong>the</strong>se accoums,<br />

and Thucydides' version is clearly superior. In fact, Aristotle contradicts himself, for<br />

after describing <strong>the</strong> activities <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand related above, he says that after<br />

<strong>the</strong> establishment <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred, <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand were selected "in name<br />

only." It is plain that Aristotle is following two sources, one <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m Thucydides, and<br />

has not resolved <strong>the</strong> differences between <strong>the</strong>m. <strong>The</strong> result is a not fully coherent account<br />

that is far inferior to <strong>the</strong> terse but consistent narrative <strong>of</strong> Thucydides. <strong>The</strong> simplest<br />

and most attractive explanation for <strong>the</strong> divergence at this point is that "Aristotle was<br />

deceived by a single deceitful document" (HCT V, 255).

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