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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE TRIAL OF THE GENERALS 359<br />

should be considered democrats no more than Thrasybulus, <strong>the</strong>ir alleged<br />

opponent, who collaborated with Thrasyllus to save <strong>the</strong> democracy<br />

on Samos in 41 I. IJ Among <strong>the</strong> generals, moreover, was<br />

Aristocrates, <strong>The</strong>ramenes' close collaborator in bringing <strong>the</strong> government<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Five Thousand into being. 14 If collaboration with Alcibiades<br />

is judged <strong>the</strong> factional touchstone, we must remember that <strong>the</strong><br />

original unfriendliness between Thrasyllus' troops and those <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades<br />

was quickly ended, and that Thrasyllus worked with both Alcibiades<br />

and <strong>The</strong>ramenes without any untoward incident as <strong>the</strong>y<br />

cleared <strong>the</strong> straits <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> enemy between 409 and 407. Nor should we<br />

forget that o<strong>the</strong>r trierarchs, as well as taxiarchs and navarchs, shared<br />

<strong>the</strong> risks and <strong>the</strong> fate <strong>of</strong> <strong>The</strong>ramenes and Thrasybulus. We do not<br />

know <strong>the</strong>ir names, but we have no reason to assume that <strong>the</strong>y shared<br />

<strong>the</strong> political opinions or associations <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir more famous colleagues.<br />

What little we know <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> political situation at this time does not<br />

permit us to assume that factional considerations influenced <strong>the</strong> decision<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> generals.<br />

We cannot know what part an excessive desire for glory or <strong>the</strong><br />

reluctance to undertake a difficult and dangerous task played, but <strong>the</strong><br />

generals' decision can be perfectly understood without such motives.<br />

If <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians were going to sail against <strong>the</strong> enemy, it was natural<br />

to employ <strong>the</strong> ships and generals who had proved <strong>the</strong>ir excellence in<br />

<strong>the</strong> battle just finished. On <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, if we have understood that<br />

battle correctly, most <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> ships left for <strong>the</strong> rescue mission had served<br />

in <strong>the</strong> center, where <strong>the</strong>y had taken part in little or no combat. If it<br />

is argued that <strong>the</strong> difficult task <strong>of</strong> rescue and recovery required leadership<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> highest order, <strong>the</strong> generals could answer that <strong>the</strong>y had<br />

assigned it to men who had previously held <strong>the</strong> highest command,<br />

among <strong>the</strong>m <strong>The</strong>ramenes and Thrasybulus, who had proven <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

excellence on more than one occasion. 15<br />

Having made <strong>the</strong>ir decisions and assignments, <strong>the</strong> generals left for<br />

Mytilene, leaving <strong>the</strong> rescue mission to <strong>the</strong> designated <strong>of</strong>ficers. 16 <strong>The</strong><br />

nsee above, I7J·<br />

14<br />

See above, 184-198.<br />

15<br />

<strong>The</strong> generals made precisely this point in <strong>the</strong>ir own defense in A<strong>the</strong>ns (Xen. I.J.s-<br />

6).<br />

1<br />

6rfhere should be no doubt that <strong>the</strong> generals actually left Arginusae and tried to<br />

sail against <strong>the</strong> enemy at Mytilene. <strong>The</strong> generals said so plainly in <strong>the</strong>ir own defense<br />

before <strong>the</strong> assembly (Xen. I.J.s), and Euryptolemus repeated <strong>the</strong> statement in his<br />

speech at a later meeting (1. 7. J 1): E.1r~eov E:11't TiXIi 'JToXEJ.LCac;. <strong>The</strong> imperfect is conative<br />

and implies that <strong>the</strong> fleet set out but was unable to meet <strong>the</strong> enemy. See Cloche, RH

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