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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE WAR IN THE AEGEAN 49<br />

it without demur because <strong>of</strong> his incompetence. 84 But whatever its legal<br />

status, <strong>the</strong> agreement was effective, for almost immediately <strong>the</strong> Spartans<br />

put <strong>the</strong>ir forces at <strong>the</strong> service <strong>of</strong> Tissaphernes in his campaign<br />

against <strong>the</strong> rebel Amorges, just as <strong>the</strong>y promised in <strong>the</strong> treaty. 85 Ano<strong>the</strong>r<br />

approach is to emphasize <strong>the</strong> vague, imprecise, incomplete nature<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> agreement: "this is a very simple-minded document .... No one<br />

seems to be thinking <strong>the</strong> first clause through to <strong>the</strong> point <strong>of</strong> determining,<br />

for example, whe<strong>the</strong>r Sparta is going to have to go back on her<br />

new treaty with Erythrae." In this view Sparta's motives are inexplicable:<br />

"Since Chalkideus, <strong>the</strong> negotiator <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> treaty, soon got killed<br />

(24. 1), no one was in a position to ask him what he was playing at. " 86<br />

O<strong>the</strong>r scholars speak <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> necessities <strong>of</strong> war and Sparta's great hatred<br />

for A<strong>the</strong>ns, which blotted out all thought <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> future. 87<br />

<strong>The</strong>re is considerable merit in this view, but it still leaves open <strong>the</strong><br />

question why <strong>the</strong> Spartans should make a treaty with so few advantages<br />

to <strong>the</strong>m, one that <strong>the</strong>y would soon reject and renegotiate. Chalcideus<br />

may have been a diplomatic neophyte, easy for an experienced Persian<br />

like Tissaphernes to gull, but at his side stood Alcibiades, a veteran<br />

<strong>of</strong> many negotiations and far from innocent <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> diplomatic arts. It<br />

is not hard to believe that Alcibiades helped persuade his inexperienced<br />

commander to act quickly. No doubt he argued that quick action was<br />

needed if Chalcideus were to get <strong>the</strong> credit for bringing about <strong>the</strong> great<br />

achievement, an alliance with Persia. Details were unimportant, he<br />

might well say, and could be changed later. <strong>The</strong> main thing was to<br />

get a commitment from <strong>the</strong> Persians before some o<strong>the</strong>r Spartan, perhaps<br />

a member <strong>of</strong> Agis' faction, could arrive and win <strong>the</strong> prize. All<br />

<strong>of</strong> this is conjecture, for no ancient source speaks <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades' role.<br />

But if Alcibiades did not make such arguments to Chalcideus, <strong>the</strong>y<br />

were at least relevant to his own circumstances. His time was running<br />

out, as <strong>the</strong> enmity <strong>of</strong> Agis threatened his position and his safety. He<br />

needed striking achievements, and he needed <strong>the</strong>m at once. <strong>The</strong> treaty<br />

<strong>of</strong> Chalcideus might be criticized, but for <strong>the</strong> moment it was a great<br />

84<br />

Hatzfeld (Alcibiade, 222) speaks <strong>of</strong> "<strong>the</strong> inexperience <strong>of</strong> Chalcideus, badly informed<br />

in diplomatic formulas and oriental tricks."<br />

85<br />

8.28.2-4. <strong>The</strong> point is well made by Hatzfeld, Alcibiade, 222, n. 5·<br />

86<br />

Lewis, Sparta and Persia, 90-91.<br />

87 Busolt, GG Ill:2, 1427, n. 1. In <strong>the</strong> same vein]. B. Bury (<strong>History</strong> <strong>of</strong> Greece, rev. R.<br />

Meiggs, 4th ed. [<strong>New</strong> York, 1975], 307) says: "In <strong>the</strong> hope <strong>of</strong> humbling to <strong>the</strong> dust<br />

her detested rival, <strong>the</strong> city <strong>of</strong> Leonidas now sold to <strong>the</strong> barbarian <strong>the</strong> freedom <strong>of</strong> her<br />

fellow-Greeks <strong>of</strong> Asia."

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