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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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268 - THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

elections <strong>of</strong> generals after <strong>the</strong> regular ones that were held under <strong>the</strong><br />

Five Thousand in <strong>the</strong> spring <strong>of</strong> 410." Finally, <strong>the</strong>re is no reason to<br />

think that domestic political considerations governed A<strong>the</strong>nian military<br />

policy in <strong>the</strong> summer <strong>of</strong> 410.<br />

Moreover, such an assumption about <strong>the</strong> influence <strong>of</strong> domestic politics<br />

is unnecessary, for <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians had good and sufficient reasons<br />

to wait until 409 to send out a new force and to send it to Ionia before<br />

going to <strong>the</strong> Hellespont. A body <strong>of</strong> fifty triremes, 5 ,ooo <strong>of</strong> its rowers<br />

equipped as peltasts and light-armed, mobile infantrymen; 1 ,ooo hoplites;<br />

and 100 cavalry-<strong>the</strong> forces actually sent in 409-all toge<strong>the</strong>r<br />

would be composed <strong>of</strong> ll, 100 men. 87 Even if all were paid at <strong>the</strong> low,<br />

post-Sicily rate <strong>of</strong> 3 obols daily, <strong>the</strong> cost would be almost 30 talents<br />

a month, and <strong>the</strong> fleet could not set sail without several months' salary<br />

in hand. <strong>The</strong>re would also be troop- and horse-carriers for <strong>the</strong> hop lites<br />

and cavalry, and <strong>the</strong> state would have to provide <strong>the</strong> peltasts with<br />

weapons. In mid-summer <strong>of</strong> 410, however, <strong>the</strong> treasury was almost<br />

empty. 88 But during <strong>the</strong> year, money became available from various<br />

~ 6 Andrewes' belief in a new election is not supported by <strong>the</strong> evidence he adduces<br />

but depends on accepting his general view <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> situation. Of <strong>The</strong>ramenes he says:<br />

"He could hardly feel friendly towards <strong>the</strong> radical democrats or <strong>the</strong>y towards him,<br />

and it is most unlikely that he was elected general in <strong>the</strong>se years" (}HS LXXIII [I95J],<br />

4). (1) Against this i~ <strong>the</strong> undoubted fact that <strong>The</strong>ramenes held commands in each year<br />

in question. If <strong>the</strong>y were "irregular," only modem <strong>the</strong>orists say so. Alcibiades, as we<br />

have seen, also held commands every one <strong>of</strong> those years, but Andrewes excludes him<br />

from <strong>the</strong> board <strong>of</strong> generals for 41o/9 on <strong>the</strong> grounds that ano<strong>the</strong>r general for that year,<br />

Pasiphon, came from his tribe. (2) But <strong>the</strong> evidence is clear that <strong>the</strong> presence <strong>of</strong> two<br />

men from <strong>the</strong> same tribe on <strong>the</strong> board <strong>of</strong> generals was more frequent than infrequent<br />

in <strong>the</strong> years between 441/40 and 412/u. In that stretch we know <strong>of</strong> eight or nine<br />

doublets. <strong>The</strong>re are three years in which we find two sets <strong>of</strong> doublets and one in which<br />

<strong>the</strong>re was a doublet and a triplet (Fornara, Generals, 71). Nothing, <strong>the</strong>refore, can be<br />

concluded from <strong>the</strong> fact adduced, much less <strong>the</strong> following statement: "It is to be<br />

presumed that <strong>the</strong> restored democracy held fresh elections, cancelling or passing over<br />

any appointments <strong>the</strong> sooo made for 410/9" (Andrewes, JHS LXXIII [1953], 6). (3)<br />

Andrewes' o<strong>the</strong>r evidence against Alcibiades' generalship is that he was nervous about<br />

returning to A<strong>the</strong>ns in 407 and that Xenophon refers to him as being an exile (pheugonta)<br />

while away from A<strong>the</strong>ns. As we have seen, <strong>the</strong>se matters can both be explained as <strong>the</strong><br />

result <strong>of</strong> Alcibiadcs' legal situation and his legitimate fear <strong>of</strong> prejudice against him by<br />

some A<strong>the</strong>nians. <strong>The</strong>y need say nothing about his generalship. As to Thrasybulus,<br />

Andrewes proposes no evidence against his legitimate command in <strong>the</strong>se years, saying<br />

only that he was no extreme democrat and may be presumed to share <strong>the</strong> equivocal<br />

position <strong>of</strong> his two colleagues. None <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> evidence adduced proves what it intends<br />

to grove.<br />

Xen. I.I.J4, 1.2.1; Diodorus (13.64.1) gives <strong>the</strong> number <strong>of</strong> ships as only thirty,<br />

but Xenophon appears to be better informed about this expedition.<br />

88 Ferguson, Treasurers, 38, cited by McCoy, AJP XCVIII (1977), 277.

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