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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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4I8<br />

THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

possible. Thucydides' answers to <strong>the</strong>se questions seem to arise very<br />

clearly from his general remarks on <strong>the</strong> war: <strong>the</strong> fact that <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians<br />

held out for so long after <strong>the</strong> Sicilian affair is extraordinary; <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians<br />

"destroyed <strong>the</strong>mselves" by means <strong>of</strong> internal disharmony. 12 <strong>The</strong><br />

evidence we have examined, both in Thucydides' account and in that<br />

<strong>of</strong> those who continued <strong>the</strong> narrative, supports those opinions in general.<br />

Thucydides' language, however, is terse, and his precise meaning<br />

is far from clear, so we need to examine it more closely.<br />

<strong>The</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians' ability to hold out so long after <strong>the</strong> destruction <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong>ir forces in Sicily and <strong>the</strong> damage that it did to <strong>the</strong>ir prestige are<br />

truly remarkable. Thucydides makes <strong>the</strong> point to demonstrate <strong>the</strong><br />

correctness <strong>of</strong> Pericles' predictions and <strong>the</strong> rightness <strong>of</strong> his strategy.<br />

We have argued, however, that Pericles' strategy was a failure and that<br />

A<strong>the</strong>nian resources would not have been adequate to last even through<br />

<strong>the</strong> Archidamian <strong>War</strong> had not his successors departed from that strategy<br />

. 13 Moreover, in ano<strong>the</strong>r passage Thucydides tells us that <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians<br />

would have lost as early as 4 II had not <strong>the</strong> Spartans shown<br />

<strong>the</strong>mselves to be "<strong>the</strong> most convenient <strong>of</strong> all opponents. " 14 Here, Thucydides<br />

seems on more solid ground, for after <strong>the</strong> campaign in Sicily,<br />

<strong>the</strong> prolongation <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> war depended less on <strong>the</strong> excellent fighting<br />

qualities <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians, although <strong>the</strong>y were very important, than on<br />

<strong>the</strong> failure <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir opponents. If <strong>the</strong> Spartans could persuade <strong>the</strong><br />

Persians to make <strong>the</strong> commitment needed to provide a navy capable<br />

<strong>of</strong> defeating <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians and to maintain it as long as necessary, <strong>the</strong><br />

A<strong>the</strong>nians would lose, for A<strong>the</strong>ns lacked <strong>the</strong> financial resources to<br />

match <strong>the</strong> Persian treasury, and money was <strong>the</strong> essential element.<br />

A<strong>the</strong>nian hopes rested on dividing <strong>the</strong>ir opponents and defeating <strong>the</strong><br />

enemy's fleets until <strong>the</strong> Persians became discouraged and lost interest.<br />

That <strong>the</strong>y could do this for so long was a tribute to <strong>the</strong>ir naval skill,<br />

<strong>the</strong>ir courage, and <strong>the</strong>ir determination but, even more, to <strong>the</strong> Spartans'<br />

difficulties in gaining adequate and reliable Persian support.<br />

In light <strong>of</strong> those difficulties and <strong>the</strong> shifting political situation that<br />

made Persian assistance unreliable, Thucydides was entirely right to<br />

suggest that <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians might have emerged from <strong>the</strong> war with a<br />

Periclean victory, that is, with <strong>the</strong>ir walls, <strong>the</strong>ir fleet, and <strong>the</strong>ir empire<br />

intact and with <strong>the</strong> Spartans in no position to challenge <strong>the</strong>ir continued<br />

n2.65.12-13.<br />

JJ<strong>Kagan</strong>, Arcbidamian <strong>War</strong>, 350-362.<br />

148.96.5.

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