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MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT I 19<br />

Both men, <strong>the</strong>refore, may well have had pressing personal reasons to<br />

fear <strong>the</strong> continuation <strong>of</strong> democracy and so to favor a change.<br />

Whatever <strong>the</strong>ir motives, <strong>the</strong>se men, unlike Thrasybulus, did not<br />

join <strong>the</strong> movement to make possible <strong>the</strong> return <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades, <strong>the</strong><br />

reversal <strong>of</strong> Persian support, and <strong>the</strong>refore an A<strong>the</strong>nian victory. Phrynichus<br />

resisted <strong>the</strong> return <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades from <strong>the</strong> outset, denied that he<br />

could do what he promised, intrigued to prevent his return, and became<br />

active in <strong>the</strong> conspiracy only after Alcibiades and <strong>the</strong> prospect <strong>of</strong><br />

Persian help had been excluded from it.'"' Peisander, after he learned<br />

that Alcibiades could not or would not deliver Persian support, joined<br />

in excluding him from <strong>the</strong>ir future plans and <strong>the</strong>n took a leading part<br />

in trying to establish oligarchy in A<strong>the</strong>ns.'" Once <strong>the</strong>y joined <strong>the</strong><br />

movement, <strong>the</strong>se men were firmly, vigorously, and permanently committed<br />

to <strong>the</strong> oligarchical cause. Thucydides says <strong>of</strong> Phrynichus that<br />

"he showed himself, beyond all o<strong>the</strong>rs, <strong>the</strong> most eager for <strong>the</strong> oligarchy;<br />

... once he set to work he revealed himself as <strong>the</strong> most reliable.""<br />

Peisander was <strong>the</strong> one who put forth <strong>the</strong> motion to establish <strong>the</strong> oligarchy<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Four Hundred and, according to Thucydides, was <strong>the</strong><br />

man in <strong>the</strong> public arena who played <strong>the</strong> greatest and most zealous part<br />

in <strong>the</strong> destruction <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> democracy. He also took <strong>the</strong> lead in forming<br />

an oligarchic conspiracy on Samos, and when <strong>the</strong> oligarchy was overthrown<br />

at A<strong>the</strong>ns, he went over to <strong>the</strong> Spartan camp at Decelea. 52<br />

Although Peisander and Phrynichus may have come to <strong>the</strong> position<br />

for purely opportunistic reasons, both clearly and fully deserve <strong>the</strong><br />

designation "oligarchs." <strong>The</strong> men on Samos, <strong>the</strong>n, who came toge<strong>the</strong>r<br />

and decided to negotiate with Alcibiades were from <strong>the</strong> first divided<br />

into two distinct types whom we may call ~'oligarchs" and "moderates."<br />

<strong>The</strong> response <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> "trierarchs and <strong>the</strong> most important men" at<br />

Samos to Alcibiades' messages was to send representatives to hold<br />

discussions with Alcibiades. Thucydides does not mention any names,<br />

but Peisander and Thrasybulus were probably members <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> delegation.<br />

53 <strong>The</strong>re <strong>the</strong>y heard <strong>the</strong> same promises to bring over to A<strong>the</strong>ns'<br />

~8.48-4-?; so-si; 68.].<br />

50<br />

B.s6; 6J.J-4·<br />

51<br />

8.6J.J·<br />

ns.67; 7J.2; 98.1.<br />

n8.48. 1. Thucydides merely says that TLvE.;; crossed over from Samos. Nepos (Ale.<br />

3) names Peisander as one <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> intermediaries, calling him a general, which he was<br />

not. Perhaps he was a trierarch, although we have no evidence to that effect. In any<br />

case, his leading role in <strong>the</strong> entire affair makes his participation likely (see Busolt, GG<br />

III:z, 1467, n. z). <strong>The</strong> suggestion that Thrasybulus took part derives from his position<br />

as trierarch and his continuing close association with Alcibiades.

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