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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE FALL OF ATHENS 4"9<br />

side in Media, he found <strong>the</strong> Great King gravely ill. We know that he<br />

would die in March <strong>of</strong> 404."' So <strong>the</strong> seriousness o:' <strong>the</strong> illness must<br />

have been apparent, and news <strong>of</strong> it must have reached <strong>the</strong> Greeks by<br />

<strong>the</strong> winter <strong>of</strong> 405/4. <strong>The</strong> death <strong>of</strong> Darius Il would bring to <strong>the</strong> Persian<br />

throne Artaxerxes Il, <strong>the</strong> older bro<strong>the</strong>r and bitter rival <strong>of</strong>Cyrus. That<br />

would mean an end to Cyrus' command in Asia Minor, as we know<br />

it did, and his power to aid Lysander. <strong>The</strong> new Persian monarch might<br />

revert to <strong>the</strong> policy <strong>of</strong> playing Sparta <strong>of</strong>f against A<strong>the</strong>ns or might even<br />

support A<strong>the</strong>ns against Sparta, which was rapidly becoming <strong>the</strong> new<br />

imperial power in <strong>the</strong> Aegean. Such developments would hardly bring<br />

A<strong>the</strong>ns victory, but <strong>the</strong>y could help A<strong>the</strong>ns hold out until it secured<br />

even better terms. <strong>The</strong>y would also undercut Lysander's importance.<br />

His own interests lay in obtaining an A<strong>the</strong>nian surrender while he was<br />

still in command, at <strong>the</strong> height <strong>of</strong> his influence. <strong>The</strong> glory <strong>of</strong> defeating<br />

A<strong>the</strong>ns must be his, and a compromise on <strong>the</strong> terms proposed by<br />

<strong>The</strong>ramenes would not be too much to ask to achieve it.<br />

Perhaps <strong>the</strong> knowledge <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> state <strong>of</strong> affairs in Persia was <strong>the</strong> "something<br />

<strong>of</strong> great value" to which <strong>The</strong>ramenes had referred. "' Perhaps it<br />

was that as well as his knowledge <strong>of</strong> Lysander's precarious position in<br />

Spartan politics. In any case, when <strong>The</strong>ramenes finally returned to<br />

A<strong>the</strong>ns about <strong>the</strong> beginning <strong>of</strong> March, he brought news <strong>of</strong> important,<br />

indeed vital, concessions he had won. To be sure, A<strong>the</strong>ns must give<br />

up its empire, walls, and fleet, and it must receive its exiles. However,<br />

<strong>the</strong> city and its people would be spared and would enjoy autonomy<br />

under <strong>the</strong> ancestral constitution. We need not be surprised that this<br />

report persuaded <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians to place <strong>The</strong>ramenes at <strong>the</strong> head <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> delegation that must go to Sparta to make <strong>the</strong> formal peace with<br />

Sparta and its allies.<br />

At Sparta <strong>the</strong> Corinthians, <strong>The</strong>bans, and many o<strong>the</strong>rs urged <strong>the</strong><br />

destruction <strong>of</strong> A<strong>the</strong>ns. Erianthus, <strong>the</strong> <strong>The</strong>ban commander at Aegospotami,<br />

is said on this occasion to have proposed <strong>the</strong> enslavement <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians, <strong>the</strong> leveling <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> city, and <strong>the</strong> conversion <strong>of</strong> Attica<br />

mKrentz, Thirty, p, n. 8.<br />

128<br />

That is <strong>the</strong> view <strong>of</strong> Krentz (Thirty, ]6-41), whose interesting ideas about <strong>the</strong><br />

significance <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> imminent death <strong>of</strong> Darius I have followed here. He also suggests<br />

that <strong>The</strong>ramenes may have stayed with Lysander for so long not to make <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians<br />

suuender but for precisely <strong>the</strong> opposite reason: to prevent <strong>the</strong>m from surrendering in<br />

hopes that Darius would die and change <strong>the</strong> situation. My own view is that <strong>the</strong> delay<br />

was needed for <strong>the</strong> difficult negotiations and, perhaps, to allow time for <strong>the</strong> question<br />

to be put to <strong>the</strong> oracle at Delphi and <strong>the</strong> response to arrive at Sparta.

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