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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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48 THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

and <strong>the</strong> Persians and Spartans toge<strong>the</strong>r would work to stop payments<br />

to A<strong>the</strong>ns from those cities. If any subjects should rebel against <strong>the</strong><br />

Great King, <strong>the</strong> Spartans should aid <strong>the</strong> king against <strong>the</strong>m, and if <strong>the</strong>re<br />

should be any rebellion against <strong>the</strong> Spartans, <strong>the</strong> king would aid his<br />

new allies. Both allies should fight toge<strong>the</strong>r against A<strong>the</strong>ns and make<br />

no separate peace. 80 <strong>The</strong> an tire bel clause was entirely in favor <strong>of</strong> Persia,<br />

for <strong>the</strong> Spartans faced no trouble from <strong>the</strong>ir allies, whereas <strong>the</strong> Persians<br />

were at war with Amorges and might well consider all Greek cities<br />

lost since 480 still to be in a state <strong>of</strong> rebellion. Nothing was said <strong>of</strong><br />

financial arrangements or <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> level <strong>of</strong> support, financial and o<strong>the</strong>r,<br />

that <strong>the</strong> Persians would provide to Sparta. <strong>The</strong> territorial clause, taken<br />

literally, would return to <strong>the</strong> Persians all Greek lands <strong>the</strong>y held before<br />

Salamis. Later, a distinguished Spartan would proclaim his outrage at<br />

its full implications: "It was dreadful," he said, "that <strong>the</strong> King should<br />

even now claim to rule <strong>the</strong> lands that he and his ancestors had previously<br />

held, for that involved <strong>the</strong> enslavement again <strong>of</strong> all <strong>the</strong> islands<br />

and <strong>The</strong>ssaly and Locris and everything as far as Boeotia; instead <strong>of</strong><br />

freedom <strong>the</strong> Spartans would be imposing Persian domination upon <strong>the</strong><br />

Greeks." 81 Small wonder that <strong>the</strong> Spartans kept this agreement, with<br />

its "monstrous concessions," secret. 82<br />

<strong>The</strong> conclusion <strong>of</strong> so cynical, yet disadvantageous, an agreement<br />

requires explanation. <strong>The</strong> treaty negotiated by Chalcideus was never<br />

ratified by <strong>the</strong> Spartans, so <strong>the</strong> suggestion has been made that it was<br />

never more than a draft, "an outline or sketch <strong>of</strong> preliminaries <strong>of</strong> a<br />

treaty <strong>of</strong> alliance and that it represents essentially, or perhaps uniquely,<br />

<strong>the</strong> point <strong>of</strong> view <strong>of</strong> Tissaphernes that he has put in <strong>the</strong> hands <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

Spartan commander Chalcideus. " 83 Presumably, Chalcideus accepted<br />

80 8. I 8.<br />

81<br />

8.43. 3; <strong>the</strong> speaker was Lichas.<br />

82<br />

<strong>The</strong> quotation is from Busolt, GG III:2, 1426-I427. Grote likewise calls <strong>the</strong> territorial<br />

clause "this monstrous stipulaton" (VII, 376). Busolt (GG lib, I427, n. r)<br />

rejects <strong>the</strong> secrecy <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> treaty on <strong>the</strong> basis <strong>of</strong> 8.36.2, where "<strong>the</strong> <strong>Peloponnesian</strong>s,"<br />

just before a second agreement with Persia is made, are said to be dissatisfied with <strong>the</strong><br />

earlier one. But <strong>the</strong>se unspecified <strong>Peloponnesian</strong>s were probably few, especially well<br />

informed, and in on <strong>the</strong> secret. Hatzfeld (Alcibiade, 222, n. 4) presents persuasive<br />

arguments in favor <strong>of</strong> secrecy, and Will, although he does not discuss <strong>the</strong> issue, makes<br />

a statement that seems to argue strongly for <strong>the</strong> need for secrecy: "<strong>The</strong>se Spartan<br />

concessions were too scandalous not to frighten those very people who had already<br />

'medized' and who were at present ranged in <strong>the</strong> camp <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Spartans against <strong>the</strong><br />

A<strong>the</strong>nians" (Le monde grec et !'orient, vol. I, Le V' siecle (szo-403) [Paris, I972], 364, my<br />

translation).<br />

83<br />

G. De Sanctis, in Studi di storia della storiografia greca (Florence, I95 I), 86-87.

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