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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT I I 5<br />

and finally overthrew <strong>the</strong> oligarchy <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Thirty Tyrants and restored<br />

democracy to A<strong>the</strong>ns. No A<strong>the</strong>nian has a better claim to <strong>the</strong> title <strong>of</strong><br />

convinced and loyal democrat than Thrasybulus, and none less deserves<br />

<strong>the</strong> accusation <strong>of</strong> being "eager to destroy <strong>the</strong> democracy," yet<br />

he is included among <strong>the</strong> men against whom Thucydides makes that<br />

charge. If Thucydides is mistaken or misinformed in this instance, he<br />

may be equally wrong in o<strong>the</strong>r cases, so we must not simply accept<br />

his opinions without question but examine each case on its own merits.<br />

Certainly, Thrasybulus was one <strong>of</strong> those at Samos who received Alcibiades'<br />

words warmly and favored bringing him back." For him, at<br />

least, Alcibiades' proposal represented something different from a longawaited<br />

opportunity to overthrow A<strong>the</strong>nian democracy, and <strong>the</strong>re is<br />

reason to think that he was not alone.<br />

So we may well believe that <strong>the</strong> movement to bring back Alcibiades<br />

and to alter <strong>the</strong> form <strong>of</strong> government in A<strong>the</strong>ns was suggested by <strong>the</strong><br />

A<strong>the</strong>nian renegade for his own reasons and accepted by <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

leaders at Samos for <strong>the</strong>irs, but <strong>the</strong> reasons <strong>of</strong> that group were clearly<br />

not all <strong>the</strong> same. Within this group at Samos, even at this early stage<br />

(perhaps in November <strong>of</strong> 4I2)," we can discern two very different<br />

factions. One was that <strong>of</strong> Thrasybulus. "He always held to <strong>the</strong> same<br />

opinion," says Thucydides, "that <strong>the</strong>y should recall Alcibiades. ""This<br />

means that at some time, at least, he was willing to accept limitations<br />

on <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian democracy, for Alcibiades' first messages to <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

notables at Samos was to that effect." In fact, if we accept<br />

Thucydides' report <strong>of</strong> Alcibiades' demands as both accurate and precise,<br />

we might believe that Thrasybulus was even prepared to overthrow<br />

<strong>the</strong> democracy and replace it with an oligarchy. In light <strong>of</strong> his<br />

later actions, it is hard to believe that <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> great democratic hero,<br />

and it is possible that Thucydides' informant was wrong in this particular<br />

instance. More likely, Alcibiades did use such words, but<br />

Thrasybulus and men like him balked at it and forced him to change<br />

his language. When a delegation from Samos crossed over to meet with<br />

him, at any rate, he no longer used <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fensive word oligarchy but<br />

promised to return and perform his wonders "if <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians were<br />

J38.76-7; 81.1.<br />

HBusolt, GG Ill:2, 1467.<br />

H8.81.1.<br />

J 6 8.47·2. Here and throughout my discussion <strong>of</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian politics in this volume I<br />

am indebted to W. J. McCoy, "<strong>The</strong>ramenes, Thrasybulus and <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian Moderates,"<br />

Ph. D. diss., Yale University, 1970.

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