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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE WAR IN THE AEGEAN<br />

3 I<br />

basis. 28 <strong>The</strong> first example, <strong>the</strong> alliance with Amorges, however, falls<br />

into a separate category, nei<strong>the</strong>r entirely true nor completely false.<br />

<strong>The</strong> basic facts are correct: <strong>the</strong>re was a treaty <strong>of</strong> Epilycus, an alliance<br />

with Amorges, Persian support for Sparta, and A<strong>the</strong>nian misfortune<br />

as a result. But <strong>the</strong> "conclusions derived from <strong>the</strong>se facts are by no<br />

means above suspicion, and <strong>the</strong>re is reason to believe that [Andocides]<br />

is guilty <strong>of</strong> trying to deceive his audience. " 29 If Andocides is correct<br />

and <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians made <strong>the</strong>ir treaty with Amorges before <strong>the</strong> Persian<br />

negotiations with Sparta, we should have expected Thucydides to have<br />

made note <strong>of</strong> that fact. Although his omissions are not infrequent and<br />

sometimes are inexplicable, this one appears especially unlikely. Not<br />

only would it be important for <strong>the</strong> reader to know <strong>the</strong> correct order<br />

<strong>of</strong> events to comprehend cause and effect, but in this case, reporting<br />

<strong>the</strong> events as Andocides does would forcibly support one <strong>of</strong> Thucydides'<br />

chief interpretative <strong>the</strong>mes, <strong>the</strong> reckless foolishness <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

democracy. 30 It seems more likely, <strong>the</strong>refore, that Andocides has<br />

distorted <strong>the</strong> chronology to make his point, a common practice among<br />

A<strong>the</strong>nian orators. 31 If that is so, <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians would have joined with<br />

Amorges only after <strong>the</strong>y knew <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Persians' overtures to Sparta "in<br />

<strong>the</strong> following spring, ... when <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians knew that Tissaphernes<br />

was plotting against <strong>the</strong>m. " 32 At such a time, A<strong>the</strong>ns would have little<br />

to lose and something to gain by joining with a rebel against <strong>the</strong><br />

Persians.<br />

But what, if not <strong>the</strong> news <strong>of</strong> an A<strong>the</strong>nian treaty with Amorges,<br />

persuaded <strong>the</strong> Persians to approach Sparta with <strong>of</strong>fers <strong>of</strong> help? <strong>The</strong><br />

most obvious and likeliest answer is that o<strong>the</strong>r news set events in<br />

28<br />

Andrewes (Historia X [r96r], 3) says that this assertion "must be imaginary, a<br />

reckless heightening <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> dramatic decision taken by A<strong>the</strong>ns in 415." Westlake points<br />

out that <strong>the</strong> story is not mentioned elsewhere, and he thinks it was "probably a fabrication<br />

<strong>of</strong> his [Andocides') own designed to streng<strong>the</strong>n his plea for peace" (Phoenix<br />

XXXI [r977], 325).<br />

29<br />

Westlake, Phoenix XXXI (1977), 325-326.<br />

30<br />

Westlake's statement <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> matter deserves quotation: "One aspect <strong>of</strong> relations<br />

between <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians and Amorges might have been expected to have aroused <strong>the</strong><br />

interest <strong>of</strong> Thucydides if indeed, when already engaged on a major <strong>of</strong>fensive in Sicily,<br />

<strong>the</strong>y chose to sacrifice <strong>the</strong> advantages <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir treaty with Persia by supporting a rebel<br />

and <strong>the</strong>reby provoking Persian reprisals. Thucydides would surely have ranked this<br />

decision among <strong>the</strong> errors in judgment whereby, in his opinion, through abandoning<br />

<strong>the</strong> advice <strong>of</strong> Pericles, <strong>the</strong>y brought upon <strong>the</strong>mselves <strong>the</strong>ir ultimate defeat (2 .65. 7-13)"<br />

(ibid., 327).<br />

31<br />

Ibid., p6.<br />

"Ibid., p8-p9.

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