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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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182 -THE FALL OF THE ATHENIAN EMPIRE<br />

Whatever truth <strong>the</strong>re may have been in <strong>the</strong>se arguments, <strong>the</strong>y failed<br />

in <strong>the</strong>ir purpose. <strong>The</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian forces continued to be angry, and a<br />

suggestion that <strong>the</strong>y sail immediately to <strong>the</strong> Piraeus and attack <strong>the</strong><br />

A<strong>the</strong>nian oligarchs soon gained strong support. So strong was <strong>the</strong><br />

sentiment for such an action that Thucydides says "no one else could<br />

have restrained <strong>the</strong> mob at that moment," but Alcibiades did so. 88 If<br />

Thucydides is right in this judgment it would indicate that <strong>the</strong> fear<br />

and anger <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian soldiers and sailors on Samos had grown<br />

since <strong>the</strong> last meeting and that <strong>the</strong> envoys' attempts to calm <strong>the</strong>m may<br />

only have inflamed <strong>the</strong>ir emotions. It would also show how swiftly<br />

Alcibiades' influence had grown, overshadowing that <strong>of</strong> his colleagues,<br />

even Thrasybulus. 89 But Thucydides goes even fur<strong>the</strong>r: "It seems that<br />

for <strong>the</strong> first time at that moment, and more than anyone, Alcibiades<br />

rendered a service to his city, for when <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians at Samos were<br />

determined to sail against <strong>the</strong>ir fellow citizens-and if <strong>the</strong>y had done<br />

so <strong>the</strong> enemy would most certainly have gained control <strong>of</strong> Ionia and<br />

<strong>the</strong> Hellespont-he was <strong>the</strong> one who prevented it.'""<br />

811<br />

8.86.5. <strong>The</strong> passage implies that his intervention at a previous assembly to prevent<br />

a similar expedition (8.82) was less crucial and that <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r leaders would also have<br />

been successful. <strong>The</strong> suggestion made by Holzapfel in <strong>the</strong> nineteenth century that <strong>the</strong><br />

two reports represent a doublet <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> same event has been generally rejected. See<br />

Mcler, Forsch., 11, 410; Busolt, GG III:2, 1497, n. 2; HCT V, 287.<br />

0<br />

We must read Thucydides' judgment here with some caution, however. Plutarch<br />

provides <strong>the</strong> detail omitted by Thucydides: that collaborating with Alcibiades was<br />

Thrasybulus, "who was said to have <strong>the</strong> loudest voice <strong>of</strong> all <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians" (Ale. 26.6),<br />

and <strong>the</strong>re is no reason to doubt him. P. A. Brunt (REG LXV [1952], 59-96) believes<br />

that "Aicibiades was probably an informant <strong>of</strong> Thucydides for certain incidents recorded<br />

in Books V, VI and VIII" and that "Thucydides was inclined to magnify<br />

Alcibiades' influence on <strong>the</strong> course <strong>of</strong> events" (95). His argument is most persuasive.<br />

For a discussion <strong>of</strong> his importance in shaping Spartan policy and Thucydides' account<br />

<strong>of</strong> it, see <strong>Kagan</strong>, Peace <strong>of</strong> N;cias, 252-259.<br />

90<br />

I have accepted <strong>the</strong> reading <strong>of</strong>B: Kat &oKEC 'AAKL~L

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