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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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THE WAR IN THE HELLESPONT<br />

2IJ<br />

in Egypt that might belong to this period. Some scholars believe that<br />

<strong>the</strong> danger was so great "that <strong>the</strong> fleet was removed from Tissaphernes'<br />

command and returned to Phoenicia, where it might be needed in<br />

operations against <strong>the</strong> rebels."' But it would be surprising, though not<br />

impossible, if such an important rebellion with such a significant outcome<br />

took place and Thucydides knew nothing about it. 9 <strong>The</strong> new<br />

evidence, moreover, says nothing about any Arabian activity and little<br />

about <strong>the</strong> extent and importance <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Egyptian movements, which,<br />

in any case, cannot be dated with precision or certainty. <strong>The</strong>re may<br />

have been some truth in all <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> motives <strong>of</strong> Tissaphernes reported<br />

by Thucydides: to exhaust <strong>the</strong> <strong>Peloponnesian</strong> forces, to defend himself<br />

before <strong>the</strong> Spartans against charges <strong>of</strong> treachery, and perhaps even to<br />

blackmail <strong>the</strong> Phoenician sailors into paying him money for releasing<br />

<strong>the</strong>m from service, but <strong>the</strong> best explanation seems to be his own.<br />

Tissaphernes never intended to use <strong>the</strong> fleet but meant to wear down<br />

and equalize both sides so that he would be in control. We need not<br />

doubt that <strong>the</strong> satrap explained his behavior to <strong>the</strong> Spartans as caused<br />

by a major threat to Phoenicia, but that was only a pretext. 10<br />

Mindarus stayed at Miletus for over a month in <strong>the</strong> hope that <strong>the</strong><br />

Phoenician ships would appear." <strong>The</strong> delay must have been most<br />

annoying, for <strong>the</strong> lieutenants Tissaphernes had left behind at Miletus,<br />

principally <strong>the</strong> Egyptian Tamos, provided no support at all." But <strong>the</strong><br />

Phoenician ships did not come. <strong>The</strong> strain was even greater because<br />

8 Lewis, Historia VII (1958), 396, endorsed by Andrewes, HCT V, 21)0, 445-456.<br />

9<br />

D. Lateiner (TAPA CVI [1976], z67-29o), argues strongly against <strong>the</strong> likelihood<br />

that such an event could have escaped <strong>the</strong> historian's notice and narrative and supports<br />

Thucydides' own interpretation. He emphasizes <strong>the</strong> poor record <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Phoenician fleet<br />

against <strong>the</strong> Greeks and believes, <strong>the</strong>refore, that Tissaphernes never intended to use it<br />

because, among o<strong>the</strong>r reasons, it could not have been <strong>the</strong> decisive force Thucydides<br />

ex~ected it to be.<br />

0<br />

Lewis (Historia VII [1958], 396) says: "Alternately [to <strong>the</strong> <strong>the</strong>ory <strong>of</strong> a real and<br />

serious revolt in Egypt], but perhaps less probably, Tissaphemes decided that he did<br />

not want <strong>the</strong> fleet, but used <strong>the</strong> Egyptian revolt as a plausible excuse for <strong>the</strong> Spartans."<br />

Not only would I reverse <strong>the</strong> order <strong>of</strong> probability, I would also point out that <strong>the</strong><br />

passage in Diodorus (13·46.6) does not speak <strong>of</strong> a revolt in Egypt but <strong>of</strong> a plot against<br />

Phoenicia. <strong>The</strong>re is no reason why Diodorus' source should have gotten Tissaphemes'<br />

excuse wrong; <strong>the</strong> reference, <strong>the</strong>refore, does not sup}X)rt <strong>the</strong> conclusions Lewis draws<br />

from <strong>the</strong> Aramaic documents.<br />

11<br />

Diod. q.J8·4· Mindarus arrived early in August; Thucydides places Mindarus'<br />

decision to leave Miletus "about <strong>the</strong> same time" (inrO 8E. "ToiJc; a:&roUc; xp6v01Jc;, 8.99. 1)<br />

as <strong>the</strong> flight <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> oligarchs from A<strong>the</strong>ns and <strong>the</strong> betrayal <strong>of</strong> Oenoe (8.98), which<br />

Andrewes (HCT V, 341) persuasively puts late in September or even early in October.<br />

Those dates would have Mindarus waiting at Milctus between six and eight weeks.<br />

12<br />

8.99; Tamos: 8.p.1, 87.3; HIT V, 74·

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