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The Fall of the Athenian Empire-(A New History of the Peloponnesian War) Donald Kagan - (1987)

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine) ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!! Strabo – “Geography” “There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.” (Strab. 7.fragments.9) ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

MACEDONIA is GREECE and will always be GREECE- (if they are desperate to steal a name, Monkeydonkeys suits them just fine)

ΚΑΤΩ Η ΣΥΓΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΔΟΤΩΝ!!!

Strabo – “Geography”
“There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.”
(Strab. 7.fragments.9)

ΚΚΕ, ΚΝΕ, ΟΝΝΕΔ, ΑΓΟΡΑ,ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΝΕΑ,ΦΩΝΗ,ΦΕΚ,ΝΟΜΟΣ,LIFO,MACEDONIA, ALEXANDER, GREECE,IKEA

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SPARTA'S RIPOSTE 81<br />

who thought that <strong>the</strong> first treaty was inadequate and less in <strong>the</strong>ir own<br />

interest than in <strong>the</strong> king's. s• In fact, <strong>The</strong>rimenes obtained some changes<br />

that might be considered improvements. Gone was <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fensive language<br />

stating that <strong>the</strong> Greek cities <strong>of</strong> Asia "belonged" to <strong>the</strong> Great<br />

King. Instead, <strong>the</strong> new relevant clause spoke in <strong>the</strong> traditional language<br />

<strong>of</strong> nonaggression agreements familiar to <strong>the</strong> Greeks. This time <strong>the</strong>re<br />

was no clause requiring each side to assist <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r in putting dowQ<br />

rebellions by subordinate cities, a clause that required commitment<br />

from Sparta, as in <strong>the</strong> defeat <strong>of</strong> Amorges, but could not conceivably<br />

require action from Persia. Unlike <strong>the</strong> first agreement, <strong>the</strong> treaty <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>The</strong>rimenes spoke openly <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Great King's obligation to pay <strong>the</strong><br />

Greek forces he called upon. This agreement established not merely<br />

an alliance (symmachia), as had Chalcideus' agreement, but a treaty and<br />

friendship (spondai kai philia). 5 ' In <strong>the</strong> earlier agreement <strong>the</strong> contracting<br />

parties agreed to stop <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nians from collecting tribute, whereas<br />

in <strong>the</strong> new one <strong>the</strong> Spartans agreed not to collect any <strong>the</strong>mselves. This<br />

appears to accept a more respectable status for <strong>the</strong> Spartans. "In effect,<br />

Spartan recognition <strong>of</strong> Persian control has been exchanged for an undertaking<br />

that <strong>the</strong> Spartans will not attempt to succeed to <strong>the</strong> A<strong>the</strong>nian<br />

position. " 52<br />

From this point <strong>of</strong> view, <strong>the</strong> treaty <strong>of</strong> <strong>The</strong>rimenes might be seen as<br />

a kindly gesture by Tissaphernes in which he gratified <strong>the</strong> wishes <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> <strong>Peloponnesian</strong>s, perhaps to "show a willingness to oblige after his<br />

curtailment <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir pay. " 53 But <strong>the</strong> new agreement yielded nothing <strong>of</strong><br />

substance to <strong>the</strong> Spartans whereas it met Persian needs in <strong>the</strong> new<br />

circumstances better than <strong>the</strong> old treaty. <strong>The</strong> insertion <strong>of</strong> more tactful<br />

language in no way abandoned any <strong>of</strong> Persia's claims. <strong>The</strong> clause<br />

requiring aid against rebellious allies was no longer needed after <strong>the</strong><br />

suppression <strong>of</strong> Amorges. <strong>The</strong> promise to pay Greek forces was limited<br />

to <strong>the</strong> number <strong>the</strong> Great King summoned and said nothing about <strong>the</strong><br />

amount <strong>of</strong> pay. <strong>The</strong> most important change in <strong>the</strong> new agreement is<br />

one <strong>of</strong> mood and attitude and is reflected in <strong>the</strong> first clause: "Whatever<br />

50 8.]6.2.<br />

51<br />

8.]7· <strong>The</strong>se last words are precisely <strong>the</strong> ones used by Andocides (3.29) in setting<br />

forth <strong>the</strong> terms <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> treaty that his uncle Epilycus negotiated with Darius in 424-f23.<br />

As Andrewes puts it, "his 'friendship' with A<strong>the</strong>ns ... is now transferred to Sparta"<br />

(HCT V, Bo).<br />

52<br />

Lewis, Sparta and Persia, 93·<br />

51<br />

Busolt, GG Ill:2, 1443. He goes on to point out that Tissaphernes had o<strong>the</strong>r motives<br />

as well.

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